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= Meeting Minutes = | = Meeting Minutes = | ||
== Participants == | == Participants == | ||
* Juergen Brandstaetter | * Juergen Brandstaetter | ||
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* José Costa Teixeira | * José Costa Teixeira | ||
* Stéphane Spahni | * Stéphane Spahni | ||
* Marc Robberecht (Webex) | * Marc Robberecht (Webex) | ||
= 10:00 - 10:30 Welcome = | |||
* Review and Approve Agenda | * Review and Approve Agenda | ||
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** The supplement from GS1 has to integrated into the white paper in a white paper format. | ** The supplement from GS1 has to integrated into the white paper in a white paper format. | ||
** The next step is to create a profile. | ** The next step is to create a profile. | ||
** In the discussion with HL7 (O&O) an agreement has been made for use chapter 4 and 17 of HL7v2. | ** In the discussion with HL7 (O&O) an agreement has been made for use of chapter 4 and 17 of HL7v2. | ||
* Supply transactions | * Supply transactions | ||
*In IHE Pharmacy we will concentrate on the functional profile. | |||
** See powerpoint slides from Jose | ** See powerpoint slides from Jose | ||
** Resupply request | *** Resupply request | ||
** Resupply response | *** Resupply response | ||
** Request status check query | *** Request status check query | ||
*Do we need any transport profiles? In FHIR the REST concept can be used for transportation of resources. | |||
* For the return or recall procedure we have the following transactions. | |||
** Return permission request | |||
** Return authorization | |||
** Recall order | |||
** Recall order acknowledgement. | |||
* The return permission is also used for example to return stock in case of elapsed date. | |||
* Inventory Transactions; | |||
** inventory query | |||
** Stock level report. | |||
** Consumption or usage report. | |||
* Barcode transactions | * Barcode transactions | ||
* There are 2 barcode transactions: | |||
** Please read the barcode.The barcode reader returns a string of numbers. | |||
** Please tell me what this string says. The barcode processor does not interpret the meaning of the string, It only decodes the string. | |||
** The interpretation is not part of the profile. | |||
* There is also discussion on a seperate transaction where the barcode reader initiates the process and sends a string back. | |||
* The transactions are given names: | |||
# request scan code | |||
# send scanned code | |||
# retrieve scanned code | |||
** UBP-1 is just the request, UPB-3 is just the response | |||
** UPP-4 is a synchronous request and response for scan | |||
* FMD | * FMD | ||
** Chirstian Hay has given input.Jose will send the document out once more to the | |||
** Every product has to be scanned in a similar way in an IHE compliant manner. | |||
** This could be at different moments, for example at the point of dispense or at the moment of consumption. | |||
= 13:00 - 14:00 Lunch = | = 13:00 - 14:00 Lunch = | ||
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* The Austrian Social Insurance (Responsible for the entire server-part + implementing an API for the client-side) | * The Austrian Social Insurance (Responsible for the entire server-part + implementing an API for the client-side) | ||
** presented by Rainer Schugerl from the Social Insurance. | |||
** Seconded by mr.Michael Daimler as technical expert. | |||
* The CompuGroup (which have developed an API for the client-side) | * The CompuGroup (which have developed an API for the client-side) | ||
** Mr. Karl Holzer is on the Webex | |||
* e-Medication and ELGA | * e-Medication and ELGA | ||
** Currently in introduction phase starting with 10 pharmacies. There will be affinity domains in Vienna and Steiermark shortly. | |||
** Many interactions. There is a need for caching, but this is not possible in the current architecture. | |||
** Also centralized intelligence is recommendable. | |||
** Provision of Medication List. The system makes a PML. This is an on-demand generated document. | |||
** This is a centralized complex system. Stephane suggests to look at MTP, This has been discussed in Austria. | |||
** The central system cannot express the state of the prescriptions on the Medication List. | |||
** As a patient you cannot hide parts of the medication. You can only provide the whole document or not. | |||
** Medication safety checking is responsibility of the local care provider. This is not enforced centrally. | |||
** Apart from the e-medication Austria will also have an e-prescription project. This is a seperate system. The reimbursment process is complex in Austria, because it depends on the situation of the patient. He could have different insurrances and right om reimbursements. | |||
** Error-messages: the documents are validated, but there is no standard mechanism to handle the error-messages. | |||
* Question whether IHE Pharmacy would be interested in e-Prescription. This would only be feasable if an architect would be funded to create the profile. This would have to be started with a description of the use case. | |||
* CGM is responsible for the central API. The seperate IT vendors do not have to worry of creating a ML. | |||
** here also the problem of reporting of the errors is recognized. | |||
** also the consistency of the code (of the medication) in relationship with the description of the medication. | |||
** There were also issues with the qualifiers of the author of the prescription. | |||
** Question whether IHE Pharmacy will look into FHIR? | |||
= 15:30 - 16:30 Outreach: Liaison activities and reports, projects = | = 15:30 - 16:30 Outreach: Liaison activities and reports, projects = | ||
* IHE DCC conference call ( | * IHE DCC conference call | ||
** see DCC minutes : ([[IHE_Domain_Coordination_Committee_Teleconference_Minutes_2016-06-28#Domain_Announcements ]]). | |||
** We have put topics about FHIR transportation and the Supply topic forware. | |||
* ISO | * ISO | ||
** 19256 - Medicinal Product Dictionaries | ** 19256 - Medicinal Product Dictionaries | ||
** This has relationship with the catalogue profile. | |||
** There will an IHE transaction for the catalogue. | |||
*** One transaction is a batch update of products. | |||
*** The other transaction is to verify a single product. | |||
** IDMP and its impact on IHE | ** IDMP and its impact on IHE | ||
** 19293 - Dispense record | ** 19293 - Dispense record | ||
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* HL7 | * HL7 | ||
* NCPDP - MoU | * NCPDP - MoU | ||
= 16:45 - Adjourn = | = 16:45 - Adjourn = | ||
Latest revision as of 15:50, 29 June 2016
Meeting Minutes
Participants
- Juergen Brandstaetter
- Simon Letellier
- Leonidas Tzimis
- Michael Tan
- José Costa Teixeira
- Stéphane Spahni
- Marc Robberecht (Webex)
10:00 - 10:30 Welcome
- Review and Approve Agenda
- The agenda is approved
- Approval of minutes of Technical Committee TCon
- the minutes of the Tecnical Committee TCon were approved uninamously.
- Review of activities to date, agenda topics (so that we don't bypass topics before time).
10:30 - 11:00 Change proposals
- CP109: The code generation tools cannot differentiate between Amount of Units of consumable and substitution handling, because they start in a similar way,
- Kai Heitmann suggests to add a template-id to the templates.
- Using template id's is usually combined with the use of a content modules.
- the other issue is the optionality. Jurgen suggests to assign a status SHALL instead. This has to be checked with the Austrian implementation.
- We would have to create mini content modules if we go for the status SHALL.
- This also touches the topic of versioning of templates. PCC has run into issues and have not been able to solve this issue yet.
- CP101: We suggest to keep CP101 as it was. The ommission was already integrated and accepted. Stephane will reverse any change.
11:00 - 13:00 Supply
- Pending Issues of White Paper Supply
- The white paper has sufficient content and material. This includes the barcode supplement. Only editiorial action to be carried out.
- The supplement from GS1 has to integrated into the white paper in a white paper format.
- The next step is to create a profile.
- In the discussion with HL7 (O&O) an agreement has been made for use of chapter 4 and 17 of HL7v2.
- Supply transactions
- In IHE Pharmacy we will concentrate on the functional profile.
- See powerpoint slides from Jose
- Resupply request
- Resupply response
- Request status check query
- See powerpoint slides from Jose
- Do we need any transport profiles? In FHIR the REST concept can be used for transportation of resources.
- For the return or recall procedure we have the following transactions.
- Return permission request
- Return authorization
- Recall order
- Recall order acknowledgement.
- The return permission is also used for example to return stock in case of elapsed date.
- Inventory Transactions;
- inventory query
- Stock level report.
- Consumption or usage report.
- Barcode transactions
- There are 2 barcode transactions:
- Please read the barcode.The barcode reader returns a string of numbers.
- Please tell me what this string says. The barcode processor does not interpret the meaning of the string, It only decodes the string.
- The interpretation is not part of the profile.
- There is also discussion on a seperate transaction where the barcode reader initiates the process and sends a string back.
- The transactions are given names:
- request scan code
- send scanned code
- retrieve scanned code
- UBP-1 is just the request, UPB-3 is just the response
- UPP-4 is a synchronous request and response for scan
- FMD
- Chirstian Hay has given input.Jose will send the document out once more to the
- Every product has to be scanned in a similar way in an IHE compliant manner.
- This could be at different moments, for example at the point of dispense or at the moment of consumption.
13:00 - 14:00 Lunch
14:00 - 15:30 Joint meeting with the Austrian e-Medication project group
- The Austrian Social Insurance (Responsible for the entire server-part + implementing an API for the client-side)
- presented by Rainer Schugerl from the Social Insurance.
- Seconded by mr.Michael Daimler as technical expert.
- The CompuGroup (which have developed an API for the client-side)
- Mr. Karl Holzer is on the Webex
- e-Medication and ELGA
- Currently in introduction phase starting with 10 pharmacies. There will be affinity domains in Vienna and Steiermark shortly.
- Many interactions. There is a need for caching, but this is not possible in the current architecture.
- Also centralized intelligence is recommendable.
- Provision of Medication List. The system makes a PML. This is an on-demand generated document.
- This is a centralized complex system. Stephane suggests to look at MTP, This has been discussed in Austria.
- The central system cannot express the state of the prescriptions on the Medication List.
- As a patient you cannot hide parts of the medication. You can only provide the whole document or not.
- Medication safety checking is responsibility of the local care provider. This is not enforced centrally.
- Apart from the e-medication Austria will also have an e-prescription project. This is a seperate system. The reimbursment process is complex in Austria, because it depends on the situation of the patient. He could have different insurrances and right om reimbursements.
- Error-messages: the documents are validated, but there is no standard mechanism to handle the error-messages.
- Question whether IHE Pharmacy would be interested in e-Prescription. This would only be feasable if an architect would be funded to create the profile. This would have to be started with a description of the use case.
- CGM is responsible for the central API. The seperate IT vendors do not have to worry of creating a ML.
- here also the problem of reporting of the errors is recognized.
- also the consistency of the code (of the medication) in relationship with the description of the medication.
- There were also issues with the qualifiers of the author of the prescription.
- Question whether IHE Pharmacy will look into FHIR?
15:30 - 16:30 Outreach: Liaison activities and reports, projects
- IHE DCC conference call
- see DCC minutes : (IHE_Domain_Coordination_Committee_Teleconference_Minutes_2016-06-28#Domain_Announcements ).
- We have put topics about FHIR transportation and the Supply topic forware.
- ISO
- 19256 - Medicinal Product Dictionaries
- This has relationship with the catalogue profile.
- There will an IHE transaction for the catalogue.
- One transaction is a batch update of products.
- The other transaction is to verify a single product.
- IDMP and its impact on IHE
- 19293 - Dispense record
- openMedicine status and meetings
- HL7
- NCPDP - MoU