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== Proposed Agenda ==  
== Proposed Agenda ==  
'''Placeholder with very preliminary agenda from earlier meeting'''


'''Please add your suggestions'''
:1. Agenda Approval
:1. Agenda Approval
:2. Review Discussion Summary:  June 17 meeting [[PCD TC 2009-06-17 Webex]]
:2. Review Discussion Summary:  July 1 meeting [[PCD TC 2009-07-01 Webex]]
:3. Action Item Review  
:3. IDCO Profile:  Review Public Comment to Trial Implementation Versions (deferred)
:4. Additional Business
:4. Change Proposals
:5. Next Meeting
::- Proposals from Infusion Pump WG
::- CT Proposal (Cooper to ITI)
::- HL7 v2 ACK Proposal (Berge to ITI)
:5. RTM Revision Status Update
:6. Action Items
:7. Additional Business
:8. Next Meeting


== Action Items from Previous Meetings ==
== Action Items from Previous Meetings ==


'''Action items updated with June 17 - must be updated'''
See [[PCD_Technical_Committee_Action_Items | separate Action Item tracking page]]


Discussion Summaries do not require formal approval, while minutes of meetings where votes are taken do. Participants are encouraged to review and bring up significant issues with discussion summaries of previous meetings. Votes will be taken to approve meetings where votes took place; these may be email ballots.
Discussion Summaries do not require formal approval, while minutes of meetings where votes are taken do. Participants are encouraged to review and bring up significant issues with discussion summaries of previous meetings. Votes will be taken to approve meetings where votes took place; these may be email ballots.


Significant changes, other than dates, will be in bold.
Significant changes, other than dates, will be in bold in the action items list.
 
:{|border="2"
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! width="5%"  align="center" |Number
! width="15%"  align="left"  |Action
! width="5%"  align="left"  |Owner
! width="15%"  align="left"  |Participants
! width="5%"  align="left"  |Due Date
! width="5%"  align="left"  |Status
!              align="left"  |Comments
 
|-
| align="center" | 60
| '''<Action Item>''' |Update TF
| '''<Owner>:'''  |Todd, Ken
| '''<Participants>''' | John Rhoads
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Meetings have begun. The update will include PIB, SPD. Then it will be released for public comment (September). Todd asked for comments, suggestions. Ken has cleaned up Volume 1 in preparation for updating it.
Todd will ask the IHE Cochairs if the format must be changed to the new format or can be left as is. A Google Group has been established. Distribute the updated TF for use in this cycle’s implementation for the Connectathon. John Rhoads will prepare the CP for the TF. TC to set the date for the TF public comment release. John Rhoads suggested members review and comment on the TF. He suggested emailing Todd with copies to Ken and himself. A format change to the TF is anticipated. This would place the boiler plate into volume 0. Change date to July 1. '''CPs will continue to be received as we go forward to the Connectathon. A number have been received. Paul noted that coordination with Continua will result in additional items. Todd requested that CPs be submitted now as the TF is reviewed. CPs addressing a WG profile will first be reviewed by the WG and then be brought to the TC.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 62
| '''<Action Item>''' |Incorporate Bar Coding into ADT implementations; which domain is responsible?
| '''<Owner>:'''  |Todd
| '''<Participants>''' | Co-chairs
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Please see summary of June 3 for history http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=PCD_TC_2009-06-03_Webex#Discussion. John Rhoads reviewed the topic as discussed at the DCC. Ken and Todd took this to the DCC approximately 6 months ago. The DCC suggested PCD take the lead and coordinate the various IHE Domain. John indicated this was the same approach the DCC took again recently. Todd noted that Khalid is developing an approach for DPI and asked that John take this back to the DCC and he agreed to do so. Paul asked if bar codes (which are available in different standards) are the only identifier of interest. Others could include the patient’s photo. Todd suggested the PC draft a brief profile proposal that could be used to recruit ITI, Radiology and possibly PCC to join the effort. John asked Khalid if he would lead this effort and Khalid agreed to give this some thought. Paul noted that PCD-01 permits multiple patient identifiers. Change date to July 1.
 
|-
| align="center" | 66
| '''<Action Item>''' | Prepare profiles for registration.
| '''<Owner>:'''  | John Garguilo
| '''<Participants>''' | Al Engelbert, Todd Cooper, Robert Flanders.
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.15
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | PCD likely won’t finalize the application until the TF has been updated and following the public comment period. Todd set up Google Group and Wiki Page to establish a baseline. The PCD will work with NIST for validation. John Garguilo believes two of the three profiles are now complete and correct in the MWB. It is anticipated that the other PCD transactions shall be registered after PCD-01 is complete. John Garguilo has requested that companies post their profiles at: [ftp://ftp.ihe.net/Patient_Care_Devices/Connectathons/Yr3-2009/Yr3-PreConnectathonTesting/ PCD Year 3 Pre-Connectathon Testing FTP Site]. John Rhoads requested that this be addressed early in the cycle. Manny to request members post sample messages for past and future work and note any issues that need to be fixed. NIST is developing test scenarios, requiring the profile and constraints. The PIV WG is the initial profile. John reminded the group that MWB files are needed and should be posted to the ftp site.
 
|-
| align="center" | 77
| '''<Action Item>''' | Preparing a Proposal to HL7 for Pharmacy WG (new name)
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Gary Meyer
| '''<Participants>''' | Jeff Rinda, Al Engelbert 
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Jeff noted this is not a critical issue, but the pharmacy group needs to address the issue. Change title (from "Ask HL7 to address gaps in v3 that affect PCD's ability to develop extensions to PIV") to "Preparing a Proposal to HL7 for Pharmacy WG". The Pharmacy Group may not be interested in addressing this in this cycle (Atlanta the week of Sept. 21). '''Gary is monitoring the Pharmacy WG. They are focused on community practice. Gary suggested that about a third of this work will be useful for institutional practice. Ruth noted that HITSP is working on the ordering process. NCPCP is working on an HL7 2.5 messaging process. This work is US focused and may become an issue internationally.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 79
| '''<Action Item>''' | Change Proposal Tutorial
| '''<Owner>:'''  |
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | It does not appear PCD needs to provide a tutorial on filing Change Proposals. These have been suggested and need CPs: ACM: clarify coding of multiple aspects of an alarm; PIV: clarify coding. '''John Rhoads / Todd Cooper to contact those developing CPs to ensure the process is understood and properly managed. '''John Rhoads has reviewed the ITI procedure and provided a modified version for the PCD. Substantial discussion followed and John will update the diagram. Paul asked if there is an appeal process to resolve conflicts. ACTION: Todd will research the appeal process.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 82
| '''<Action Item>''' | OID for PCD
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Todd, John Rhoads
| '''<Participants>''' | 
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Manny to follow up on obtaining and OID.  Todd put up a Wiki page to describe managing the OID. John Rhoads will flesh that out. Change date to next meeting. '''John will report on current OID management discussions within the IHE DCC and update the IHE PCD OID page accordingly.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 83
| '''<Action Item>''' | MOUs
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Sandy
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Follow up MOU status with CIMIT, ASTM. It is on the ASTM executive meeting agenda next week. Ken reported that Julian presented this to the ASTM. The outcome has not been reported. '''Ken will follow-up with Julian Goldman to determine the current status.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 84
| '''<Action Item>''' | Patient Identity and PCD Messages
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Todd, Khalid, Gary
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | How best to accomplish this tie will be addressed in the white paper for further development as a supplement to PIB (Todd). Coordination with IEEE (-20103 CCOM) and ICE-PAC will be accomplished Jan. Draft a patient association brief profile proposal (Khalid). The A04 registration message is not the commonly used message, while A01 is used by hospitals at admission (Gary). Gary will review this issue and it will be factored into the CPs for publication and testing in the 2010 Connectathon. Also see 62. '''Note related discussions in the Infusion Pump WG.'''
 
|-
| align="center" | 86
| '''<Action Item>''' | Test Tools
| '''<Owner>:'''  | John Garguilo, Rob Snellick
| '''<Participants>''' | Manny
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.15
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | NIST will explore a registry for MWB files (Rob). Manny to request PCD Connectathon WG to post MWB files. Change date to June 17, add John Garguilo to the effort. '''NIST is open to providing incremental releases of "test artifacts" (which include MWB profiles).  Need to determine when such information is desired to be available for viewing/browsing.  This information would be part of the Testing Infrastructure as part of a public repository. Can we establish a date to make this available by? '''
 
|-
| align="center" | 87
| '''<Action Item>''' | IDCO
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Nick
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | Is there another transaction for pushing an IDCO report? ICDO is looking for alternatives. Supplement is out for public comment until June 30. '''Today is the last day for comments on IDCO.'''
|-
| align="center" | 88
| '''<Action Item>''' | Cycle 4 Supplement Status
| '''<Owner>:'''  | Ken, Todd
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  | John Rhoads, Monroe, Paul offered to review the WCM document. Cycle 4 Supplement Status - Anticipated release dates are: IDCO - June 1; PIV - June 1; RTM - June 1; WCM - September 1. White Papers: DPI and MEM will be available this summer. PIV: Recent WG F2F: Todd briefly summarized the meeting. Those interested are referred to the Wiki page (see agenda list above). He noted it was a very productive meeting. RTM update: Paul found 40 errors and as a result is looking at automating the process for identifying them. He noted the harmonized table is looking good. Work continues on RTM ventilator terms. The RTM update should be available for TC ballot in about 10 days.
 
CPs: A number of change proposals are in development. He suggested that the PIV WG review these as soon as possible.
 
|-
| align="center" | 89
| '''<Action Item>''' |
| '''<Owner>:'''  |
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  |
 
|-
| align="center" | 90
| '''<Action Item>''' |
| '''<Owner>:'''  |
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  |
 
|-
| align="center" | 91
| '''<Action Item>''' |
| '''<Owner>:'''  |
| '''<Participants>''' |
| '''<Due Date>'''  | 2009.07.01
| '''<Status>''' |OPEN
| '''<Comments>:'''  |
 
 
|}


== Participants ==
== Participants ==
'''placeholder'''


:'''Chair:'''  Todd Cooper (Breakthrough Solutions), John Rhoads (Philips)
:'''Chair:'''  Todd Cooper (Breakthrough Solutions), John Rhoads (Philips)


: <TBD>
: Ruth Berge, Rita Brahmbhatt, Anupriyo Chakravarti, Bikram Day, Al Engelbert, Robert Flanders, Ken Fuchs, John Garguilo, Christopher Gessner, Chad Hays, Yarisa Jaroch, Jianguo Jiang, Brad Lunde, Gary Meyer, Mary Moewe, Monroe Pattillo, Yalkhomba Rajkumar, John Rhoads, Jeff Rinda, Ioana Singureanu, Greg Staudenmaier, Jan Wittenber, Manny Furst


== Discussion ==
== Discussion ==
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| '''Status/Discussion:'''
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
:* Agenda approved '''PLACEHOLDER'''
:* Agenda approved


'''Action(s):'''
'''Action(s):'''
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| '''Issues with Discussion Summary or Approval of Minutes''' <br>- Chair
| '''Issues with Discussion Summary or Approval of Minutes''' <br>- Chair
| '''Status/Discussion:'''  
| '''Status/Discussion:'''  
:* Discussion Summary of previous TC meeting '''PLACEHOLDER''' yielded no changes
:* Discussion Summary of previous TC meeting accepted
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
:*  
:*  
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| '''PCD Profiles Considered for Supplement and White Paper Development''' <br>- Chair
| '''PCD Profiles Considered for Supplement and White Paper Development''' <br>- Chair
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
:*  
: Jeff Rinda summarized the PIV CPs.
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
: Significant changes:
:* Add support for syringe pumps
::- Specifying certain fields, in follow up to Ruth’s questions at Connectathon, is found in the Usage Notes added to the Supplement.
:
: Discussion included:
:* Piggyback mode exists in original version
:* Issues regarding empty fields, e.g., required but may be empty, when a command may present a risk to the patient. Are fields Required But May Be Empty or Conditional or Optional. However, you cannot test Optional, so it will need to be R, RE or C.
:* The Give Code identifies the medication, not the concentration.
:* Paul suggested that future development address injected additional drugs (i.e., added to the IV line).
:* This is an incremental step; the pump group will continue to work.
 
:* Ruth led discussion of the Placer Multi OBR CP. This CP is intended to clarify but not change the multiple OBR case. It includes an example, using the ACK changes in Gary’s CP. The example is for two orders (RGV messages) which are combined in the BCMA. The example addresses several complexities, and this CP will be modified to conform to the latest update of Gary’s Enhanced ACK CP, and will include an error message.
::- Jeff asked if the message would have to be repeated if the order doesn’t reach the pump. Ruth responded that this is addressed in the ACK CP. She suggested that her CP omit the additional complexity of the failed instruction and leave the ACK issue to the other CP.
 
::- Paul asked if multiple OBRs are permitted in PCD-01 and if the multiple drug identifiers could be in OBXs, with multiple OBXs within a single OBRs since these relate to a single pump. Ruth responded that this is an HL7 requirement because the drug is the order, rather than ordering a containment channel with the drug in an OBX as an observation. Paul would like to see the drug in an OBX as well as in the OBR. Ruth responded that the OBR is what the physician would specify. Paul noted that there could be additional information, such as a bolus or a drug added to the infusate. He recommends including this in an OBX even if it duplicates the OBR. Jeff noted
 
: Those attending were in agreement that these CPs move to editing and then balloting. The CPs from the Infusion Pump WG are available 


'''Action(s):'''
: John Rhoads described the next step – these CPs will be assigned to an editor and can continue to modify these CPs.


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| '''XXXX''' <br>- Todd
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
:*
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Decisions/Issues:'''


'''Action(s):'''
'''Action(s):'''
:*


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| align="center" | 4
| '''Action Items''' <br>- Chairs
| '''Action Items''' <br>- Chairs
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
| '''Status/Discussion: Deferred to next meeting'''
:* 60: Update TF -  
:* 60: Update TF -  
:* 62: Incorporate Bar Coding into ADT implementations -  
:* 62: Incorporate Bar Coding into ADT implementations -  
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:* 87: IDCO -  
:* 87: IDCO -  
:* 88: Cycle 4 Supplements -  
:* 88: Cycle 4 Supplements -  
:* 89: Verify process for “public comment” period -


'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Action(s):'''
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| '''Announcements''' <br>- All
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
:*
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Action(s):'''
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| '''PCD F2F Meeting''' <br>- Todd
| '''Status/Discussion:'''
:*
'''Decisions/Issues:'''
'''Decisions/Issues:'''


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Latest revision as of 14:59, 17 May 2010

Patient Care Device Domain

Meeting Purpose

Regularly scheduled meeting of the PCD Technical Committee

WebEx Information

Topic: PCD Weekly Tcons

Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Time (New York)

Duration: 60 Minutes

Proposed Agenda

1. Agenda Approval
2. Review Discussion Summary: July 1 meeting PCD TC 2009-07-01 Webex
3. IDCO Profile: Review Public Comment to Trial Implementation Versions (deferred)
4. Change Proposals
- Proposals from Infusion Pump WG
- CT Proposal (Cooper to ITI)
- HL7 v2 ACK Proposal (Berge to ITI)
5. RTM Revision Status Update
6. Action Items
7. Additional Business
8. Next Meeting

Action Items from Previous Meetings

See separate Action Item tracking page

Discussion Summaries do not require formal approval, while minutes of meetings where votes are taken do. Participants are encouraged to review and bring up significant issues with discussion summaries of previous meetings. Votes will be taken to approve meetings where votes took place; these may be email ballots.

Significant changes, other than dates, will be in bold in the action items list.

Participants

Chair: Todd Cooper (Breakthrough Solutions), John Rhoads (Philips)
Ruth Berge, Rita Brahmbhatt, Anupriyo Chakravarti, Bikram Day, Al Engelbert, Robert Flanders, Ken Fuchs, John Garguilo, Christopher Gessner, Chad Hays, Yarisa Jaroch, Jianguo Jiang, Brad Lunde, Gary Meyer, Mary Moewe, Monroe Pattillo, Yalkhomba Rajkumar, John Rhoads, Jeff Rinda, Ioana Singureanu, Greg Staudenmaier, Jan Wittenber, Manny Furst

Discussion

Item Topic Discussion
1 Introductions & Agenda Review
- Chair
Status/Discussion:

Decisions/Issues:

  • Agenda approved

Action(s):

2 Issues with Discussion Summary or Approval of Minutes
- Chair
Status/Discussion:
  • Discussion Summary of previous TC meeting accepted

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s):

3 PCD Profiles Considered for Supplement and White Paper Development
- Chair
Status/Discussion:
Jeff Rinda summarized the PIV CPs.
Significant changes:
  • Add support for syringe pumps
- Specifying certain fields, in follow up to Ruth’s questions at Connectathon, is found in the Usage Notes added to the Supplement.
Discussion included:
  • Piggyback mode exists in original version
  • Issues regarding empty fields, e.g., required but may be empty, when a command may present a risk to the patient. Are fields Required But May Be Empty or Conditional or Optional. However, you cannot test Optional, so it will need to be R, RE or C.
  • The Give Code identifies the medication, not the concentration.
  • Paul suggested that future development address injected additional drugs (i.e., added to the IV line).
  • This is an incremental step; the pump group will continue to work.
  • Ruth led discussion of the Placer Multi OBR CP. This CP is intended to clarify but not change the multiple OBR case. It includes an example, using the ACK changes in Gary’s CP. The example is for two orders (RGV messages) which are combined in the BCMA. The example addresses several complexities, and this CP will be modified to conform to the latest update of Gary’s Enhanced ACK CP, and will include an error message.
- Jeff asked if the message would have to be repeated if the order doesn’t reach the pump. Ruth responded that this is addressed in the ACK CP. She suggested that her CP omit the additional complexity of the failed instruction and leave the ACK issue to the other CP.
- Paul asked if multiple OBRs are permitted in PCD-01 and if the multiple drug identifiers could be in OBXs, with multiple OBXs within a single OBRs since these relate to a single pump. Ruth responded that this is an HL7 requirement because the drug is the order, rather than ordering a containment channel with the drug in an OBX as an observation. Paul would like to see the drug in an OBX as well as in the OBR. Ruth responded that the OBR is what the physician would specify. Paul noted that there could be additional information, such as a bolus or a drug added to the infusate. He recommends including this in an OBX even if it duplicates the OBR. Jeff noted
Those attending were in agreement that these CPs move to editing and then balloting. The CPs from the Infusion Pump WG are available
John Rhoads described the next step – these CPs will be assigned to an editor and can continue to modify these CPs.

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s):

4 Action Items
- Chairs
Status/Discussion: Deferred to next meeting
  • 60: Update TF -
  • 62: Incorporate Bar Coding into ADT implementations -
  • 66: Prepare profiles for registration -
  • 77: Ask HL7 to address gaps in v3 that affect PCD's ability to develop extensions to PIV -
  • 79: Change Proposals -
  • 80: Monitor HITSP’s Work (also on PC list) -
  • 82: OID for PCD -
  • 83: MOUs -
  • 84: Patient Identity and PCD Messages -
  • 85: NIST Tools for RTM -
  • 86: Test Tools -
  • 87: IDCO -
  • 88: Cycle 4 Supplements -
  • 89: Verify process for “public comment” period -

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s):


Next Meeting

The next TC meeting will be July 15 PCD TC 2009-07-29 Webex

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