Rad Tech Minutes 2021-11-15-19
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Location
- Virtual
- Via Zoom
Meeting Directory
Topics
- Interactive Multimedia Reporting (55%)
- AIR Datasets and Root Results (30%)
- Maintenance (25%) (for this meeting we will work at 15% for Maintenance)
Notes to Explain Agenda
- (Number in parentheses is cumulative total hours for week)
- One action item that came out from the retrospective meeting is try to schedule some ‘editorial time’ vs ‘discussion time’.
- Discussion Time: Focus on the actual design discussion
- Editorial Time: Smaller group discussion with focus on getting the text in a good shape
Monday, November 15, 2021: 8:30am - 3:15pm Central Time (CT)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Introductions (Name and IHE Member Organization)
- IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Matt Hayes, Radiology Partners
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Weber Marrett, IBM Watson Health
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby
- Khaled Younis, Philips
- Non-Voting
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- IHE International Member Organizations
- IHE Patent Disclosure
- No disclosures
- Brief description of IHE Radiology cycle and goal of this meeting (Kevin)
- Two profiles selected for development. IMR and AIR Datasets and Root Results. Maintenance will focus on new and existing Change Proposals (CPs).
- The kickoff meeting goal is to work on areas of uncertainty and agree to technology that will be used.
- February 7-11, 2022 meeting: Bulk of the profile should be completed by the end of the meeting. Review text and make sure complexity is correct. Then the document goes to Public Comment (PC)
- April 11-15, 2022 meeting: Review and resolve public comments and prepare documents for Trial Implementation.
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- S1: 9:00am-10:30am: AIR Datasets and Root Results (AIR)
- Discussed scope and areas of uncertainty. Made notes directly in document. Continue discussion tomorrow.
- S1: 9:00am-10:30am: AIR Datasets and Root Results (AIR)
- Introductions for IMR Session
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Matt Hayes, Radiology Partners
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Weber Marrett, IBM Watson Health
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
- Khaled Younis, Philips
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Alex Aisen, IU
- Daniel Bach
- Adam Cole, Smile CDR
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- Ed Sabean-Untermann, Smile CDR
- Sophie Tekeste, Smile CDR
- David Vining, MD, MD Anderson Cancer Center
- IHE Patent Disclosure
- Disclosures from Dr. David Vining
- US Patent 6,785,410. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed November 21, 2001. Issued August 31, 2004.
- US Patent 6,819,785. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed August 9, 2000. Issued November 16, 2004.
- US Patent 7,289,651. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed August 31, 2004. Issued October 30, 2007.
- US Patent 7,693,317. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed November 12, 2004. Issued April 6, 2010.
- US Patent 7,835,560. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed October 30, 2007. Issued November 16, 2010.
- US Patent 7,995,823. Image reporting method and system. Inventors: David Vining, Yaorong Ge, David Ahn, David Stelts. Filed November 16, 2010. Issued August 9, 2011.
- US Patent 8,320,651. Image
- Disclosures from Dr. David Vining
- Introductions for IMR Session
- S2: 10:45am-12:45pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- A2: 1:15pm-1:45pm: Administrative Time
- S3: 1:45pm-3:15pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- Get an overview of IMR, scope and questions to discuss and to be continued tomorrow.
Tuesday, November 16, 2021: 8:30am - 3:15pm Central Time (CT)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Introductions (Name and IHE Member Organization)
- IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
- IHE International Member Organizations
- IHE Patent Disclosure
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Chris Carr, RSNA
- Matt Hayes, Radiology Partners
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Weber Marrett, IBM Watson Health
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
- Khaled Younis, Philips
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Alex Aisen, IU
- Daniel Bach
- Adam Cole, Smile CDR
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- Ed Sabean-Untermann, Smile CDR
- Sophie Tekeste, Smile CDR
- S1: 9:00am-10:30am: Maintenance
- IHE Sharazone Brief Introduction - Steven Nichols
- IHE Radiology CP Ballot 2021D Form
- Ballot email resent to rad tech on 11/16/21
- S2: 10:45am-12:45pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- A2: 1:15pm-1:45pm: Administrative Time
- S3: 1:45pm-2:45pm: AIR Datasets and Root Results (AIR)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
Wednesday, November 17, 2021: 8:30 - 3:15pm Central Time (CT)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Introductions (Name and IHE Member Organization)
- IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
- IHE International Member Organizations
- IHE Patent Disclosure
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Weber Marrett, IBM Watson Health
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
- Khaled Younis, Philips
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- S1: 9:00am-10:00am: AIR Datasets and Root Results (AIR)
- S2: 10:45am-12:45pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Chris Carr, RSNA
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Weber Marrett, IBM Watson Health
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
- Khaled Younis, Philips
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Alex Aisen, IU
- Daniel Bach
- Adam Cole, Smile CDR
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- Ed Sabean-Untermann, Smile CDR
- Sophie Tekeste, Smile CDR
- A2: 1:15pm-1:45pm: Administrative Time - Steve Drew visit
- S3: 1:45pm-3:15pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
Thursday, November 18, 2021: 8:30am - 3:15pm Central Time (CT)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Introductions (Name and IHE Member Organization)
- IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
- Attendees
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Alex Goel, Purajuniper
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Daniel Bach, Smile CDR
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- Ed Sabean-Untermann, Smile CDR
- Sophie Tekeste, Smile CDR
- IHE International Member Organizations
- IHE Patent Disclosure
- S1: 9:00am-10:30am: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- S2: 10:45am-12:45pm: Maintenance
- A2: 1:15pm-1:45pm: Joint meeting with PaLM domain regarding RPC profile
- S3: 1:45pm-3:15pm: IMR? Maintenance?
- S3: 3:00pm - 3:15pm: Maintenance
- The following are in the Assigned folder for further work:
- CP-RAD-468-00 - WIC Update Security Considerations - assigned to Steve Nichols
- The following are Ready to publish in ballot. I put them in the Approved for Ballot > for 2021E folder. (Sorry to create a sub-folder, but there are left-over CPs from a previous in “Approved for Ballot” and I did not want to mix them together)
- CP-RAD-470-CM - Vol 4 URL fix
- CP-RAD-469-CM - WIC - Remove out-of-date options
- CP-RAD-473-CM - MAWF - fix out-of-date codes
- CP-RAD-466-CM - WIC - Update out-of-date language for RAD-108
- CP-RAD-462-CM - WIA - Update out-of-date language for RAD-108 and RA-129
- The following is in the Approved for Final Text folder. It will not be balloted because it is a update to a white paper:
- CP-RAD-472-FT - Fix out-of-date codes in white paper
- The following are in the Assigned folder for further work:
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
Friday, November 19, 2021: 8:30am - 3:15pm Central Time (CT)
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Introductions (Name and IHE Member Organization)
- IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
- Attendees
- Wim Corbijn, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Philips
- Andrei Leontiev, Rad Tech Co-Chair, Visage Imaging
- Chris Carr, RSNA
- Chris Lindop, GE
- Matt Hayes, Radiology Partners
- Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
- David Kwan, Insygnia Consulting
- Steve Nichols, GE
- Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
- Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
- Non-Voting and Guests
- Daniel Bach, Smile CDR
- Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager, IHE USA Contractor
- Nichole Knox, RSNA, IHE Radiology Secretary
- Sophie Tekeste, Smile CDR
- S1: 9:00am-10:30am: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- S2: 10:45am-12:00pm: Interactive Multimedia Reporting (IMR)
- A2: 12:15pm-1:45pm: Administrative Time
- A1: 8:30am-9:00am Administrative Time
- Profile Name: AIR+
- Describe gaps in Use Case coverage
- Split the use case into two chunks, but no gaps.
- Review ALL "uncertainty points" in the evaluation. Is there a resolution plan for each?
- Yes, all reviewed. Each has a TODO text for resolution/next step.
- Do the effort points in the evaluation still seem right?
- Mostly yes, little adjustments. But the examples are likely a bit more than a 2.
- Did the Breakdown of Tasks accurately reflect the work? What extra tasks arose?
- Accurate.
- Describe unresolved technical issues/tasks
- Some will derive from the feedback from the "focus group". Mostly well in hand.
- Describe potential practical issues
- Will need to get tooling for example object generation.
- Review the open issue list. Does it feel complete
- Will populate OI for PC. Most other questions are in the TODO plans. Feels complete.
- Which open issues feel most risky; what other risks exist?
- Main risk might be aggressive expectations for display capabilities from the focus group
- Also risk of not being able to pull focus group together quickly (get on it now)
- Potential for examples to experience gold-plating/runaway complexity
- How is the work fitting in the allocated bandwidth? (Time to spare? Just right? Things were left undone?)
- A bit of time to spare (partly because deferred a slot to a future tcon)
- How does the scope feel? (Room to expand? Just right? Pretty ambitious?)
- Feels good.
- If you had to reduce scope, what would you drop?
- Binary examples. (if need to drop more, would drop some paper examples)
- Have the promised resources manifested?
- Mostly, will look for focus participants and help with tooling.
- What tasks would benefit from additional expertise?
- Need good focus groups participants and experience with creating objects.
- What vendors are engaged for each actor? Record how many.
- Evidence Creators: Canon, Philips?, GE, Siemens,
- Image Displays: Canon, Philips, GE, Siemens,
- Was the profile where it needed to be at the start of the Kickoff meeting (See "Kickoff Meeting" above), if not what was the gap
- Yes.
- Was the profile where it needed to be at the end of the Kickoff meeting, if not what was the gap
- Mostly. Will do some work based on the initial input for the next tcon
- How many tcons would you like between now and the PC Prep Meeting?
- One or two. (The focus group will be separate)
- Describe gaps in Use Case coverage
- Profile Name: IMR
- Describe gaps in Use Case coverage
- Working on clarification of how the multimedia capability relate to structured part of the report.
- otherwise, cover the creation and display use cases, and several variations of the display use cases
- Review ALL "uncertainty points" in the evaluation. Is there a resolution plan for each?
- Review the updated IMR design with the IMR working group
- Continue to develop and review the information model (important to clarify what is in scope and out of scope)
- Terminology clarification for 'structured' (coded vs conceptual sections vs ...)
- Continue to refine how we will profile DiagnosticReport and certain specific details (e.g. what and how different contents go into conclusion)
- Do the effort points in the evaluation still seem right?
- Effort may be a bit low, but with the complexity point as a buffer, the total is still in the ballpark
- Did the Breakdown of Tasks accurately reflect the work? What extra tasks arose?
- Mostly.
- Should have called out the information model explicitly
- Describe unresolved technical issues/tasks
- Work through the DiagnosticReport mapping and how the presentedForm is created and corresponds to the content exist in the DiagnosticReport resource
- Describe potential practical issues
- How to 'allow' sections in report without explicitly profiling them
- New to profiling FHIR resources by the Rad Tech
- Review the open issue list. Does it feel complete
- Good list of questions in the powerpoint to guide the discussion and capture resolution and action items
- Which open issues feel most risky; what other risks exist?
- DiagnosticReport mapping
- How to profile FHIR resources, what constraints IMR need to impose on each resource
- How is the work fitting in the allocated bandwidth? (Time to spare? Just right? Things were left undone?)
- Would be better if a few more items were identified early and prepared ahead of time so we can discuss during the meeting (e.g. model mapping, FHIR resource packaging)
- otherwise, time are okay.
- How does the scope feel? (Room to expand? Just right? Pretty ambitious?)
- Feel right from the perspective of what is requested to support interactive multimedia report with reasonable effort
- Feel tricky that without full profiling radiology reports using FHIR, there may be gaps unidentified
- Encourages Report Creator implementation to make up missing bits on their own
- If you had to reduce scope, what would you drop?
- PDF option
- look at the different named options what can be dropped in what order
- Have the promised resources manifested?
- Yes, David Kwon, Dr. David Vining, representatives from Smile CDR, and others from the IMR working group
- What tasks would benefit from additional expertise?
- Content mapping
- FHIR mapping / profiling
- What vendors are engaged for each actor? Record how many.
- Report Creator: Dr. David Vining, Smile CDR, Carestream, GE?
- Report Reader: Change Healthcare, Carestream, Smile CDR, Dr. David Vining,
- Image Display: Change Healthcare, GE?
- Image Manager: Change Healthcare,
- Was the profile where it needed to be at the start of the Kickoff meeting (See "Kickoff Meeting" above), if not what was the gap
- A bit behind because the profile document is barely started
- Was the profile where it needed to be at the end of the Kickoff meeting, if not what was the gap
- Collected good feedback on all open questions. Enough materials to start
- How many tcons would you like between now and the PC Prep Meeting?
- Should schedule 1 or 2 meetings to review work-in-progress and confirm resolution to remaining uncertainties
- Meetings with the IMR working group
- Describe gaps in Use Case coverage
- Future Radiology Technical Committee Ballot
- Lynn or Andrei will send profiles ready for ballot to Nichole. Nichole will prepare and send ballot 11/22 with a due date of 1/5/2022. Will review on the 1/6/2022 Radiology Technical Committee CP meeting
- Start working with IHE Rad Tech and Plan on agenda for meeting at RSNA 2021.
- Future Radiology Technical Committee Ballot