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<center>'''IHE Anatomic Pathology Domain F2F Meeting'''</center> | |||
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'''Attending:''' | |||
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'''Participants IHE AP''' | |||
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<center>'''August 5'''</center> | |||
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<center>'''August 6'''</center> | |||
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<center>'''Organization'''</center> | |||
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David Booker | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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College of American Pathologists/LabMedicine PC | |||
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Christel Daniel | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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CCS Domaine Patient - AP-HP - INSERM | |||
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Raj Dash | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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College of American Pathologists/Duke University | |||
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Gunter Haroske | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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Institute für Pathologie | |||
KH Dresden-Friedrichstadt | |||
HU Berlin Charite | |||
FH Brandenburg | |||
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Mary Kennedy | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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College of American Pathologists | |||
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Jacques Klossa | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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Telepathology2014 | |||
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François Macary | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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ASIP Santé | |||
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Thomas Schrader | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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Institute für Pathologie | |||
KH Dresden-Friedrichstadt | |||
HU Berlin Charite | |||
FH Brandenburg | |||
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Riccardo Triunfo | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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CRS4 | |||
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Gianluigi Zanetti | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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<center>X</center> | |||
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CRS4 | |||
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'''NOTE: Presentations referenced can be found on the IHE AP Domain wiki site: ''' | |||
'''[http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Anatomic_Pathology http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Anatomic_Pathology'''] | |||
'''Agenda Items''' | |||
* IHE Lab Overview | |||
* APSR release 2013 | |||
* Change proposal modification to incorporate APSR | |||
* Incorporation of Molecular Pathology/Genomics Requirements | |||
* Strategy Session Initiation | |||
* Telepathology | |||
* Organization of Future Meetings | |||
'''Action Items''' | |||
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'''<nowiki>#</nowiki>''' | |||
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'''Item''' | |||
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'''Responsible''' | |||
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'''Status''' | |||
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1 | |||
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Contact Chris Carr to determine if IHE has an IHTSDO namespace we could use | |||
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Mary | |||
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Open | |||
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2 | |||
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Determine if IHE needs permission from AJCC to use TNM terms in APSR | |||
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Mary | |||
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Open | |||
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3 | |||
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Create change proposal for APSR | |||
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Thomas / Gunter | |||
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Completed (see document) | |||
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4 | |||
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Request LOINC codes for Observation codes for APSR | |||
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TBD | |||
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Open | |||
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5 | |||
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Create a model for workflow use case | |||
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Gianluigi/Riccardo | |||
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November | |||
|- | |||
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6 | |||
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Create a use case for image reporting to be merged into CRS4 profile proposal | |||
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Jacques | |||
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November | |||
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7 | |||
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Send out call for new proposals | |||
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Co-chairs/Mary | |||
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November | |||
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8 | |||
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Update IHE Domain page | |||
(change Trial Implementation RePub Request to 2013-10-31,etc.) | |||
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Mary | |||
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November | |||
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9 | |||
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Creation of examples of cancer/non-cancer (eg, breast/prostate; fibroadenoma) to be developed by France/Germany/US | |||
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Christel/Thomas/Raj | |||
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November | |||
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10 | |||
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Write summary of discussion and contact Epic development | |||
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Raj | |||
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November | |||
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11 | |||
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Develop mapping of values based on text using Excel template (Christel will share prototype Excel File) | |||
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Christel | |||
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Completed | |||
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'''Minutes''' | |||
# Welcome/Introductions | |||
#* No domain sponsor announcements; however, the IHE AP meeting roster was updated. | |||
#* Agenda reviewed and approved | |||
#* Objectives of meeting: | |||
#** Enumerate current projects and statuses | |||
#** Lower barrier to incorporation of concepts into SNOMED CT | |||
#** Identify ways to incorporate multinational vendor engagement | |||
# Overview of IHE Lab work (Francois) | |||
## ILW has a change proposal from Harry Solomon that could be used for AP | |||
### Telepathology consultation | |||
## Lab Code Set distribution profile (IPI domain?) (Francois to share?) | |||
### LOINC recommended (Japan incorporating LOINC) | |||
### JLAC-10 Japanese required coding system | |||
## Implementation of IHE Lab profiles in France | |||
### XD-LAB accepted as national framework for France | |||
#### Lab reports need to be conformant to XD-Lab to go into EHR | |||
#### LTW (APHP); LCSD and LTW deployed in France | |||
#### LOINC has been selected for France and has been partially translated in French (20,000 codes to date) | |||
# CRS4 presentation: Can/How do we put data intensive biology in the picture? (see presentation)(Riccardo/Gianluigi) | |||
## CRS4 is an interdisciplinary, not for profit research center focused on computational sciences | |||
## Focus on clinical domain interconnection and traceability; semantic and computable management of biomedical data; telemedicine and distributed medicine | |||
## Main IHE experience in the IHE Lab and ITI domains | |||
### Technical framework supplement for lab specimen barcode labeling | |||
### One CRS4 monitor at Connectathon 2013 | |||
## Currently dealing with production, managing and analysis of data intensive biology outputs (NGS, proteomics, etc) and moving toward confluence with digital pathology | |||
### Support to large scale population studies | |||
### Genetic therapy quality control | |||
## Building a biobank system | |||
### To provide consistent computable platform | |||
### To support scalable error propagation/graph of dependency data model | |||
## Industrial consulting | |||
### Pre-analytic automation and clinical lab automation systems | |||
## Support to regional healthcare systems | |||
### HL7/IHE integration | |||
### Clinical processes modeling | |||
### Real time telemedicine systems | |||
## Reasons for approaching IHE AP domain WG: | |||
### Research interests and their intersection | |||
### Is there a basis for a new IHE profile for this? | |||
### New profile could fuse data intensive molecular biology with digital pathology using extensive automation of pathology lab (tissue transport; processing; imaging; NGS and mass spectrometry; archive and storage) | |||
### A new profile could also include ordering ancillary techniques and molecular biology (Review IHE Lab automation profile/LAW) | |||
## New profile needs to address the following | |||
### Ways to do referencing | |||
### Expressions to show that result is tied to a specific area of a specific specimen | |||
### How to deal with links | |||
### Reference implementation | |||
### Need for a model for workflow (Gianluigi/Riccardo to write use case) | |||
### Need for a use case to show integration with AP | |||
### Will need to review previous DICOM work on workflow | |||
### Develop a use case for image reporting that can be merged into the profile (Jacques) | |||
# APSR overview of current work (see presentation)(Francois/Christel) | |||
## APSR in a CDA format | |||
### Six 1st level sections | |||
### Only one mandatory and mandating structured data elements | |||
## Handling “none” in an observation of the <entry> | |||
### “None” and “None known” represent effective values which are part of the value sets attached to the observation | |||
## Handling missing information in an observation of the <entry> | |||
### These situations are handled with the nullFlavor attribute | |||
## Handling unexpected information in an observation of the <entry> | |||
### “Other, specify” – The actual value does not belong to the assigned value set and the author of the report provides this ''foreign value'' | |||
### The value set is open to extensions | |||
### No code is available in any terminology for the value observed | |||
## New APSR templates | |||
### Ten new templates representing cancers | |||
# APSR change proposal discussion (see presentation)(Thomas/Gunter) | |||
## Background for German/Austrian proposal | |||
### HL7 background reviewed | |||
### HL7 Germany has solutions for reporting to cancer registries using generic TNM and ICD-O | |||
### Uses Detailed Clinical Models (DCM) | |||
### Recommend using a generic model of meaning vs perpetuated specific observations (DCM) | |||
### Organ specific templates well suited for data entry and communication but are not suited for system maintenance | |||
### Can be supported by CDA | |||
### PathLex is logical consequence of organ specific template approach but causes unnecessary multiplication of terms | |||
## Proposed changes to APSR by German/Austrian workgroup: | |||
### Create HL7 generic model value for concepts (eg, TNM; tumor descriptions; assessment scales;) | |||
### Open APSR 05 and replace by TNM/ICD-O German, with consecutive changes in PathLex | |||
### Cancel 4.1.2.2 organ-specific APSR document content modules with consecutive changes in PathLex | |||
### Create generic document modules and templates only and organ-specific templates are now part of the appendix to be used for example, as blueprints for data entry forms (checklist functionality) | |||
### Re-launch of an ontology based PathLex (for AP observations) | |||
### Need to differentiate between terminology models, specimen and problem organizers | |||
### Advantages to this approach are few, easy to implement generic templates that can be reused in other profiles (eg, QRPH-Ca; XDS-MS) | |||
### Separate validation using schematron can be used | |||
### Would need approximately 15 required elements in total | |||
## Discussion of new proposal/next steps | |||
### Acceptance of concept of a more generic model | |||
### Current APSR files will be used as examples | |||
### Thomas/Gunter to submit a change proposal (see document) | |||
### Determine if IHE needs agreement with AJCC to use TNM in a profile | |||
### Decision is to accept many proposed changes | |||
### A generic model for APSR will be created and the appendix will contain examples of specific malignant and benign conditions | |||
### The general structure of APSR will not change and follows the CDA hierarchical tree of section, entries, organizers | |||
### Need to correlate radiology/pathology diagnosis (Birads)(Tumor board templates within IHE France may serve as a model) | |||
### Examples of cancer/non-cancer (eg breast/prostate ca; fibroadenoma) will be developed by France/Germany/US (Chirstel/Thomas/Raj) | |||
### Share mapping of values based on text using Excel template (Christel will share prototype Excel file)(see spreadsheet) | |||
### Write summary of discussion and contact Epic development (Raj) | |||
Note: A change proposal was submitted by Thomas/Gunter post-meeting. Christel reviewed and edited the CP. (See document). Further discussion of the CP and final determination will occur on the next IHE AP conference call. | |||
# APSR/CDISC (Christel) | |||
## Possible collaboration with CDISC | |||
## Clinical Data Warehouse and i2B2 | |||
## Unicare – clinical data warehouse | |||
## Uses IHE QRPH Exchange profile | |||
## Should we collaborate with CDISC SHARE OPEN project? | |||
## Christel will forward information of next IHE AP conference call | |||
# IHTSDO/SNOMED CT and AJCC | |||
## Discussion regarding APSR example concepts (eg, cancer staging) | |||
## PathLex developed as stop gap for concepts without SCT codes | |||
## Should we build an SCT extension for concepts not covered in SCT? | |||
### Determine if IHE has an IHTSDO namespace (Mary) | |||
### Draft proposal for assignment of extension namespace to IHE vs IHE AP or draft joint proposal with IPaLM SIG and submit from within the IHTSDO governance | |||
### Alternatively, use LOINC codes immediately for observation names until such time as a SNOMED CT option is available | |||
## AJCC / UICC discussion | |||
### Determine if an IP agreement is needed between staging organizations and IHE | |||
### Use LOINC codes until such time as IP agreement established | |||
## Further discussion is needed on next steps | |||
## Discussion of Procedure/Specimen Type | |||
### Review Marcial’s work (possibly have him present on next conference call) | |||
# 12th European Congress on Digital Pathology | |||
## Formerly “12th European Congress on Telepathology and 6th International Congress on Virtual Microscopy” | |||
## To be held in Paris 18-21 June 2014 | |||
## Plan on a joint DICOM 26/IHE AP F2F | |||
## All are encouraged to attend (see brochure) | |||
# New business | |||
## Send out call for new proposals | |||
## Need to update the IHE Domain page (Trial Implementation RePub Request; Call for Proposals; Proposal Deadline; # of white papers) | |||
# Next IHE AP Meetings | |||
## Next conference call November 12 (9am Central US)?? | |||
## F2F meeting planned for Paris around June 18-21, 2014 | |||
## Proposed F2F to take place during 12th European Congress on Digital Pathology meeting | |||
Latest revision as of 10:23, 11 November 2013
Attending:
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Participants IHE AP |
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David Booker |
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College of American Pathologists/LabMedicine PC |
|
Christel Daniel |
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CCS Domaine Patient - AP-HP - INSERM |
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Raj Dash |
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College of American Pathologists/Duke University |
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Gunter Haroske |
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Institute für Pathologie KH Dresden-Friedrichstadt HU Berlin Charite FH Brandenburg |
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Mary Kennedy |
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College of American Pathologists |
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Jacques Klossa |
|
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Telepathology2014 |
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François Macary |
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ASIP Santé |
|
Thomas Schrader |
|
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Institute für Pathologie KH Dresden-Friedrichstadt HU Berlin Charite FH Brandenburg |
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Riccardo Triunfo |
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CRS4 |
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Gianluigi Zanetti |
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CRS4 |
NOTE: Presentations referenced can be found on the IHE AP Domain wiki site:
http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Anatomic_Pathology
Agenda Items
- IHE Lab Overview
- APSR release 2013
- Change proposal modification to incorporate APSR
- Incorporation of Molecular Pathology/Genomics Requirements
- Strategy Session Initiation
- Telepathology
- Organization of Future Meetings
Action Items
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# |
Item |
Responsible |
Status |
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1 |
Contact Chris Carr to determine if IHE has an IHTSDO namespace we could use |
Mary |
Open |
|
2 |
Determine if IHE needs permission from AJCC to use TNM terms in APSR |
Mary |
Open |
|
3 |
Create change proposal for APSR |
Thomas / Gunter |
Completed (see document) |
|
4 |
Request LOINC codes for Observation codes for APSR |
TBD |
Open |
|
5 |
Create a model for workflow use case |
Gianluigi/Riccardo |
November |
|
6 |
Create a use case for image reporting to be merged into CRS4 profile proposal |
Jacques |
November |
|
7 |
Send out call for new proposals |
Co-chairs/Mary |
November |
|
8 |
Update IHE Domain page (change Trial Implementation RePub Request to 2013-10-31,etc.) |
Mary |
November |
|
9 |
Creation of examples of cancer/non-cancer (eg, breast/prostate; fibroadenoma) to be developed by France/Germany/US |
Christel/Thomas/Raj |
November |
|
10 |
Write summary of discussion and contact Epic development |
Raj |
November |
|
11 |
Develop mapping of values based on text using Excel template (Christel will share prototype Excel File) |
Christel |
Completed |
Minutes
- Welcome/Introductions
- No domain sponsor announcements; however, the IHE AP meeting roster was updated.
- Agenda reviewed and approved
- Objectives of meeting:
- Enumerate current projects and statuses
- Lower barrier to incorporation of concepts into SNOMED CT
- Identify ways to incorporate multinational vendor engagement
- Overview of IHE Lab work (Francois)
- ILW has a change proposal from Harry Solomon that could be used for AP
- Telepathology consultation
- Lab Code Set distribution profile (IPI domain?) (Francois to share?)
- LOINC recommended (Japan incorporating LOINC)
- JLAC-10 Japanese required coding system
- Implementation of IHE Lab profiles in France
- XD-LAB accepted as national framework for France
- Lab reports need to be conformant to XD-Lab to go into EHR
- LTW (APHP); LCSD and LTW deployed in France
- LOINC has been selected for France and has been partially translated in French (20,000 codes to date)
- XD-LAB accepted as national framework for France
- ILW has a change proposal from Harry Solomon that could be used for AP
- CRS4 presentation: Can/How do we put data intensive biology in the picture? (see presentation)(Riccardo/Gianluigi)
- CRS4 is an interdisciplinary, not for profit research center focused on computational sciences
- Focus on clinical domain interconnection and traceability; semantic and computable management of biomedical data; telemedicine and distributed medicine
- Main IHE experience in the IHE Lab and ITI domains
- Technical framework supplement for lab specimen barcode labeling
- One CRS4 monitor at Connectathon 2013
- Currently dealing with production, managing and analysis of data intensive biology outputs (NGS, proteomics, etc) and moving toward confluence with digital pathology
- Support to large scale population studies
- Genetic therapy quality control
- Building a biobank system
- To provide consistent computable platform
- To support scalable error propagation/graph of dependency data model
- Industrial consulting
- Pre-analytic automation and clinical lab automation systems
- Support to regional healthcare systems
- HL7/IHE integration
- Clinical processes modeling
- Real time telemedicine systems
- Reasons for approaching IHE AP domain WG:
- Research interests and their intersection
- Is there a basis for a new IHE profile for this?
- New profile could fuse data intensive molecular biology with digital pathology using extensive automation of pathology lab (tissue transport; processing; imaging; NGS and mass spectrometry; archive and storage)
- A new profile could also include ordering ancillary techniques and molecular biology (Review IHE Lab automation profile/LAW)
- New profile needs to address the following
- Ways to do referencing
- Expressions to show that result is tied to a specific area of a specific specimen
- How to deal with links
- Reference implementation
- Need for a model for workflow (Gianluigi/Riccardo to write use case)
- Need for a use case to show integration with AP
- Will need to review previous DICOM work on workflow
- Develop a use case for image reporting that can be merged into the profile (Jacques)
- APSR overview of current work (see presentation)(Francois/Christel)
- APSR in a CDA format
- Six 1st level sections
- Only one mandatory and mandating structured data elements
- Handling “none” in an observation of the <entry>
- “None” and “None known” represent effective values which are part of the value sets attached to the observation
- Handling missing information in an observation of the <entry>
- These situations are handled with the nullFlavor attribute
- Handling unexpected information in an observation of the <entry>
- “Other, specify” – The actual value does not belong to the assigned value set and the author of the report provides this foreign value
- The value set is open to extensions
- No code is available in any terminology for the value observed
- New APSR templates
- Ten new templates representing cancers
- APSR in a CDA format
- APSR change proposal discussion (see presentation)(Thomas/Gunter)
- Background for German/Austrian proposal
- HL7 background reviewed
- HL7 Germany has solutions for reporting to cancer registries using generic TNM and ICD-O
- Uses Detailed Clinical Models (DCM)
- Recommend using a generic model of meaning vs perpetuated specific observations (DCM)
- Organ specific templates well suited for data entry and communication but are not suited for system maintenance
- Can be supported by CDA
- PathLex is logical consequence of organ specific template approach but causes unnecessary multiplication of terms
- Proposed changes to APSR by German/Austrian workgroup:
- Create HL7 generic model value for concepts (eg, TNM; tumor descriptions; assessment scales;)
- Open APSR 05 and replace by TNM/ICD-O German, with consecutive changes in PathLex
- Cancel 4.1.2.2 organ-specific APSR document content modules with consecutive changes in PathLex
- Create generic document modules and templates only and organ-specific templates are now part of the appendix to be used for example, as blueprints for data entry forms (checklist functionality)
- Re-launch of an ontology based PathLex (for AP observations)
- Need to differentiate between terminology models, specimen and problem organizers
- Advantages to this approach are few, easy to implement generic templates that can be reused in other profiles (eg, QRPH-Ca; XDS-MS)
- Separate validation using schematron can be used
- Would need approximately 15 required elements in total
- Discussion of new proposal/next steps
- Acceptance of concept of a more generic model
- Current APSR files will be used as examples
- Thomas/Gunter to submit a change proposal (see document)
- Determine if IHE needs agreement with AJCC to use TNM in a profile
- Decision is to accept many proposed changes
- A generic model for APSR will be created and the appendix will contain examples of specific malignant and benign conditions
- The general structure of APSR will not change and follows the CDA hierarchical tree of section, entries, organizers
- Need to correlate radiology/pathology diagnosis (Birads)(Tumor board templates within IHE France may serve as a model)
- Examples of cancer/non-cancer (eg breast/prostate ca; fibroadenoma) will be developed by France/Germany/US (Chirstel/Thomas/Raj)
- Share mapping of values based on text using Excel template (Christel will share prototype Excel file)(see spreadsheet)
- Write summary of discussion and contact Epic development (Raj)
- Background for German/Austrian proposal
Note: A change proposal was submitted by Thomas/Gunter post-meeting. Christel reviewed and edited the CP. (See document). Further discussion of the CP and final determination will occur on the next IHE AP conference call.
- APSR/CDISC (Christel)
- Possible collaboration with CDISC
- Clinical Data Warehouse and i2B2
- Unicare – clinical data warehouse
- Uses IHE QRPH Exchange profile
- Should we collaborate with CDISC SHARE OPEN project?
- Christel will forward information of next IHE AP conference call
- IHTSDO/SNOMED CT and AJCC
- Discussion regarding APSR example concepts (eg, cancer staging)
- PathLex developed as stop gap for concepts without SCT codes
- Should we build an SCT extension for concepts not covered in SCT?
- Determine if IHE has an IHTSDO namespace (Mary)
- Draft proposal for assignment of extension namespace to IHE vs IHE AP or draft joint proposal with IPaLM SIG and submit from within the IHTSDO governance
- Alternatively, use LOINC codes immediately for observation names until such time as a SNOMED CT option is available
- AJCC / UICC discussion
- Determine if an IP agreement is needed between staging organizations and IHE
- Use LOINC codes until such time as IP agreement established
- Further discussion is needed on next steps
- Discussion of Procedure/Specimen Type
- Review Marcial’s work (possibly have him present on next conference call)
- 12th European Congress on Digital Pathology
- Formerly “12th European Congress on Telepathology and 6th International Congress on Virtual Microscopy”
- To be held in Paris 18-21 June 2014
- Plan on a joint DICOM 26/IHE AP F2F
- All are encouraged to attend (see brochure)
- New business
- Send out call for new proposals
- Need to update the IHE Domain page (Trial Implementation RePub Request; Call for Proposals; Proposal Deadline; # of white papers)
- Next IHE AP Meetings
- Next conference call November 12 (9am Central US)??
- F2F meeting planned for Paris around June 18-21, 2014
- Proposed F2F to take place during 12th European Congress on Digital Pathology meeting