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Participants:
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== Day 1 - 2018-02-12 ==
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Tone Southerland (Quintiles)
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''Participants:''
Emma Jones (Allscripts)
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*Tone Southerland (Quintiles)
Denise Downing (AORN)
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*Emma Jones (Allscripts)
Thomson Kuhn (ACP)
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*Denise Downing (AORN)
Andrea Fourquet (e-Healthsign, LLC)
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*Thomson Kuhn (ACP)
Gila Pyke (Cognaissance)
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*Andrea Fourquet (e-Healthsign, LLC)
Chris Melo (Philips)
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*Gila Pyke (Cognaissance)
Raffaele Giordano (Arsenal.IT)
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*Chris Melo (Philips)
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*Raffaele Giordano (Arsenal.IT)
  
Emergency Transport to Facility
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'''Emergency Transport to Facility'''
  
 
Attendees: Andrea Forquet, Lori Fourquet, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn
 
Attendees: Andrea Forquet, Lori Fourquet, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn
  
Lori Fourquet joined us for the discussion
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*Lori Fourquet joined us for the discussion
John Moehrke joined us for part of the discussion
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*John Moehrke joined us for part of the discussion
Discussed the open issue of whether use of the FHIR document composition would satisfy both CDA and FHIR systems
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*Discussed the open issue of whether use of the FHIR document composition would satisfy both CDA and FHIR systems
Not clear if metadata needs for XDS would be met
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*Not clear if metadata needs for XDS would be met
Emergency vendors want to jump directly to FHIR
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*Emergency vendors want to jump directly to FHIR
John suggested we do CDA because it is easier to make normative, and also use FHIR composition/FHIR resources
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*John suggested we do CDA because it is easier to make normative, and also use FHIR composition/FHIR resources
Open issue is closed: Will follow the same approach as in RIPT, i.e., Do both CDA and FHIR.
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*Open issue is closed: Will follow the same approach as in RIPT, i.e., Do both CDA and FHIR.
Created new open issue, “How will this profile align with ongoing development in FHIR and HL7 working groups in relation to FHIR document composition, and any other developments that occur?”
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*Created new open issue, “How will this profile align with ongoing development in FHIR and HL7 working groups in relation to FHIR document composition, and any other developments that occur?”  
Reviewed Open Issues
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*Reviewed Open Issues
see HL7 Pt Care WG Discussion about FHIR Composition – representing Notes in FHIR, how clinical notes represented in FHIR a lot of systems today that capture notes in structured and unstructured ways, HL7 how do I discover the Notes in CDA documents, document reference is the broad thing it can point at CDA document, image, FHIR observation, FHIR, during the meeting they discussed how to format clinical notes, but focus on using FHIR Document Reference for discovering Notes and talking about the GET, but need to have a Content Creator; how should a Clinical Note that isn’t all that structured and a FHIR Composition may be too much, Observation is too flexible, what’s the best way to define a Clinical Note – will close #1 as it is currently written use CDA or FHIR, will move to Close, but write a new Open Issue about CDA and FHIR Composition, how is this profile going to align with future FHIR development in FHIR HL7 WGs in relationship to FHIR Composition and any other FHIR development work
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**see HL7 Pt Care WG Discussion about FHIR Composition – representing Notes in FHIR, how clinical notes represented in FHIR a lot of systems today that capture notes in structured and unstructured ways, HL7 how do I discover the Notes in CDA documents, document reference is the broad thing it can point at CDA document, image, FHIR observation, FHIR, during the meeting they discussed how to format clinical notes, but focus on using FHIR Document Reference for discovering Notes and talking about the GET, but need to have a Content Creator; how should a Clinical Note that isn’t all that structured and a FHIR Composition may be too much, Observation is too flexible, what’s the best way to define a Clinical Note – will close #1 as it is currently written use CDA or FHIR, will move to Close, but write a new Open Issue about CDA and FHIR Composition, how is this profile going to align with future FHIR development in FHIR HL7 WGs in relationship to FHIR Composition and any other FHIR development work
create new FHIR Resources for NEMSIS data, can we use NEEM backbone that all the gov divisions use (fire and rescue), certificate of med necessity had to have a new Resource, imagining & lab reports, if we identify gaps in mapping we present the need to the appropriate HL7 WG
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**create new FHIR Resources for NEMSIS data, can we use NEEM backbone that all the gov divisions use (fire and rescue), certificate of med necessity had to have a new Resource, imagining & lab reports, if we identify gaps in mapping we present the need to the appropriate HL7 WG
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'''Change Proposals'''
  
Change Proposals
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*The committee worked on updating and moving CPs into the new CP structure
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*CP 266-02 – HL7 Ballot on this topic has been completed. Request to move the CP to completed.
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*Stopped at CP 226
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*Committee work – Do we have a process for how do we deprecate profiles – define the process,
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*Action item identified: Discuss how to deprecate profiles. Find time on the agenda for this. Candidates: ITS, ETS, GAO
  
The committee worked on updating and moving CPs into the new CP structure
 
CP 266-02 – HL7 Ballot on this topic has been completed. Request to move the CP to completed.
 
Stopped at CP 226
 
Committee work – Do we have a process for how do we deprecate profiles – define the process,
 
Action item identified: Discuss how to deprecate profiles. Find time on the agenda for this. Candidates: ITS, ETS, GAO
 
  
FHIR Plan Definition
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'''FHIR Plan Definition'''
  
 
Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn
 
Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn
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Phone: Jeff Danford, Chris Melo
 
Phone: Jeff Danford, Chris Melo
  
This item is not creating a new profile, it is updating the Dynamic Care Planning (DCP) profile with this use case, a FHIR way to do dynamic care planning and templating all the updates are in “green” font, definitions have been updated and “Care Plan Guidance Service” definition is new, added new transactions and glossary terms and activity definitions, corresponds with the HL7 Care Coordination functional model,
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*This item is not creating a new profile, it is updating the Dynamic Care Planning (DCP) profile with this use case, a FHIR way to do dynamic care planning and templating all the updates are in “green” font, definitions have been updated and “Care Plan Guidance Service” definition is new, added new transactions and glossary terms and activity definitions, corresponds with the HL7 Care Coordination functional model,
Goal is to have something implementable or that clinicians can use after the profile has been developed
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*Goal is to have something implementable or that clinicians can use after the profile has been developed
Background – part of clinicians workflow they use protocols or clinical practice guidelines (EBP) for Care Planning, templates for specific disease protocols and clinicians can modify them for each ind pt, select the order sets that can apply to a pt, each order is an activity definition, this profile has a collection of activity definitions organizes under the Plan Definition which then is assigned to a pts Care Plan, needed an Action to accept the Activity Request (e.g., Procedure Request), applying this to the current Care Planning Profile and the Care Plan Contributor will interact with the Care Planning Guidance Service, the Request Resources will be sent to the applicable systems (i.e., lab, EHR, eRx), in the future Decision Support can be added and physician referrals, updating the Care Plan can be accomplished within Dynamic Care Planning
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*Background – part of clinicians workflow they use protocols or clinical practice guidelines (EBP) for Care Planning, templates for specific disease protocols and clinicians can modify them for each ind pt, select the order sets that can apply to a pt, each order is an activity definition, this profile has a collection of activity definitions organizes under the Plan Definition which then is assigned to a pts Care Plan, needed an Action to accept the Activity Request (e.g., Procedure Request), applying this to the current Care Planning Profile and the Care Plan Contributor will interact with the Care Planning Guidance Service, the Request Resources will be sent to the applicable systems (i.e., lab, EHR, eRx), in the future Decision Support can be added and physician referrals, updating the Care Plan can be accomplished within Dynamic Care Planning
FHIR has an “apply” action that can be used to make the activity definitions into a procedure, a referral, a medication, device or a lab request or order as applicable based on the context in the activity definition, these would be created as a “task” and workflow piece is out-of-scope for the profile
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*FHIR has an “apply” action that can be used to make the activity definitions into a procedure, a referral, a medication, device or a lab request or order as applicable based on the context in the activity definition, these would be created as a “task” and workflow piece is out-of-scope for the profile  
Jeff showed a visual of how the profile could work, clinFHIR.com
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*Jeff showed a visual of how the profile could work, clinFHIR.com  
Actor definitions were discussed Care Plan Service and Care Plan Guidance Service, discussion about the name of the Care Plan Guidance Service and will put it in as an Open Issue, need to add to Open Issue an explanation about what “as initiator” means if not already present in vol 2
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*Actor definitions were discussed Care Plan Service and Care Plan Guidance Service, discussion about the name of the Care Plan Guidance Service and will put it in as an Open Issue, need to add to Open Issue an explanation about what “as initiator” means if not already present in vol 2  
Reason Content Contributor is paired with Care Plan Service is because it needs to share resources that would be acted upon (i.e., RequestGroup Resources) and share (i.e., Push or Pull) the applicable content. or sent to systems, section X.1.1.5 needs some rewording
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*Reason Content Contributor is paired with Care Plan Service is because it needs to share resources that would be acted upon (i.e., RequestGroup Resources) and share (i.e., Push or Pull) the applicable content. or sent to systems, section X.1.1.5 needs some rewording  
  
CDA Document Summary Section
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'''CDA Document Summary Section'''
  
 
Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Thom Kuhn
 
Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Thom Kuhn
  
 
Phone: Dan Venton, Chris Melo
 
Phone: Dan Venton, Chris Melo
 
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*Updated acronym of the profile and put a hyphen in it CDA-DSS
Updated acronym of the profile and put a hyphen in it CDA-DSS
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*Overview – content creator/consumer provides the ability to do the same thing, but can do other things based on how it is implemented
Overview – content creator/consumer provides the ability to do the same thing, but can do other things based on how it is implemented
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*This item is creating a new profile, with new options on Content Creator/Content Consumer
This item is creating a new profile, with new options on Content Creator/Content Consumer
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*Content Modules creating new IHE PCC sections, added to the IHE PCC list, need to make the Notes Summary Section a US vol 6, but can discuss this if it needs to be international, Care Plan Team Summary Section needs template ID
Content Modules creating new IHE PCC sections, added to the IHE PCC list, need to make the Notes Summary Section a US vol 6, but can discuss this if it needs to be international, Care Plan Team Summary Section needs template ID
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*User defined piece needs further definition, another area of work how to create views (how to slice/dice CDA views)
User defined piece needs further definition, another area of work how to create views (how to slice/dice CDA views)
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*Reviewed all the Use Cases, defining Care Team, right now in Care Team in HL7 there isn’t a lot of context, this Use Case will define who is the care provider for the pt in one region or another  
Reviewed all the Use Cases, defining Care Team, right now in Care Team in HL7 there isn’t a lot of context, this Use Case will define who is the care provider for the pt in one region or another
 
 
 
Sponsor Updates
 
 
 
Tuesday evening meeting at one of the restaurants in the building, Jeremiah has left HIMSS and will no longer be the coordinator for PCC, Celina will take over PCC duties until a new coordinator is hired
 
  
  
Homework for Tonight
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'''Sponsor Updates'''
  
Read the Plan Definition and CDA Summary documents and provided Emma with comments.
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Tuesday evening meeting at one of the restaurants in the building, Jeremiah has left HIMSS and will no longer be the coordinator for PCC, Celina will take over PCC duties until a new coordinator is hired
  
  
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Revision as of 06:47, 14 February 2018

Day 1 - 2018-02-12

Participants:

  • Tone Southerland (Quintiles)
  • Emma Jones (Allscripts)
  • Denise Downing (AORN)
  • Thomson Kuhn (ACP)
  • Andrea Fourquet (e-Healthsign, LLC)
  • Gila Pyke (Cognaissance)
  • Chris Melo (Philips)
  • Raffaele Giordano (Arsenal.IT)


Emergency Transport to Facility

Attendees: Andrea Forquet, Lori Fourquet, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn

  • Lori Fourquet joined us for the discussion
  • John Moehrke joined us for part of the discussion
  • Discussed the open issue of whether use of the FHIR document composition would satisfy both CDA and FHIR systems
  • Not clear if metadata needs for XDS would be met
  • Emergency vendors want to jump directly to FHIR
  • John suggested we do CDA because it is easier to make normative, and also use FHIR composition/FHIR resources
  • Open issue is closed: Will follow the same approach as in RIPT, i.e., Do both CDA and FHIR.
  • Created new open issue, “How will this profile align with ongoing development in FHIR and HL7 working groups in relation to FHIR document composition, and any other developments that occur?”
  • Reviewed Open Issues
    • see HL7 Pt Care WG Discussion about FHIR Composition – representing Notes in FHIR, how clinical notes represented in FHIR a lot of systems today that capture notes in structured and unstructured ways, HL7 how do I discover the Notes in CDA documents, document reference is the broad thing it can point at CDA document, image, FHIR observation, FHIR, during the meeting they discussed how to format clinical notes, but focus on using FHIR Document Reference for discovering Notes and talking about the GET, but need to have a Content Creator; how should a Clinical Note that isn’t all that structured and a FHIR Composition may be too much, Observation is too flexible, what’s the best way to define a Clinical Note – will close #1 as it is currently written use CDA or FHIR, will move to Close, but write a new Open Issue about CDA and FHIR Composition, how is this profile going to align with future FHIR development in FHIR HL7 WGs in relationship to FHIR Composition and any other FHIR development work
    • create new FHIR Resources for NEMSIS data, can we use NEEM backbone that all the gov divisions use (fire and rescue), certificate of med necessity had to have a new Resource, imagining & lab reports, if we identify gaps in mapping we present the need to the appropriate HL7 WG


Change Proposals

  • The committee worked on updating and moving CPs into the new CP structure
  • CP 266-02 – HL7 Ballot on this topic has been completed. Request to move the CP to completed.
  • Stopped at CP 226
  • Committee work – Do we have a process for how do we deprecate profiles – define the process,
  • Action item identified: Discuss how to deprecate profiles. Find time on the agenda for this. Candidates: ITS, ETS, GAO


FHIR Plan Definition

Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Tone Southerland, Thom Kuhn

Phone: Jeff Danford, Chris Melo

  • This item is not creating a new profile, it is updating the Dynamic Care Planning (DCP) profile with this use case, a FHIR way to do dynamic care planning and templating all the updates are in “green” font, definitions have been updated and “Care Plan Guidance Service” definition is new, added new transactions and glossary terms and activity definitions, corresponds with the HL7 Care Coordination functional model,
  • Goal is to have something implementable or that clinicians can use after the profile has been developed
  • Background – part of clinicians workflow they use protocols or clinical practice guidelines (EBP) for Care Planning, templates for specific disease protocols and clinicians can modify them for each ind pt, select the order sets that can apply to a pt, each order is an activity definition, this profile has a collection of activity definitions organizes under the Plan Definition which then is assigned to a pts Care Plan, needed an Action to accept the Activity Request (e.g., Procedure Request), applying this to the current Care Planning Profile and the Care Plan Contributor will interact with the Care Planning Guidance Service, the Request Resources will be sent to the applicable systems (i.e., lab, EHR, eRx), in the future Decision Support can be added and physician referrals, updating the Care Plan can be accomplished within Dynamic Care Planning
  • FHIR has an “apply” action that can be used to make the activity definitions into a procedure, a referral, a medication, device or a lab request or order as applicable based on the context in the activity definition, these would be created as a “task” and workflow piece is out-of-scope for the profile
  • Jeff showed a visual of how the profile could work, clinFHIR.com
  • Actor definitions were discussed Care Plan Service and Care Plan Guidance Service, discussion about the name of the Care Plan Guidance Service and will put it in as an Open Issue, need to add to Open Issue an explanation about what “as initiator” means if not already present in vol 2
  • Reason Content Contributor is paired with Care Plan Service is because it needs to share resources that would be acted upon (i.e., RequestGroup Resources) and share (i.e., Push or Pull) the applicable content. or sent to systems, section X.1.1.5 needs some rewording


CDA Document Summary Section

Attendees: Raffaele Giordano, Thom Kuhn

Phone: Dan Venton, Chris Melo

  • Updated acronym of the profile and put a hyphen in it CDA-DSS
  • Overview – content creator/consumer provides the ability to do the same thing, but can do other things based on how it is implemented
  • This item is creating a new profile, with new options on Content Creator/Content Consumer
  • Content Modules creating new IHE PCC sections, added to the IHE PCC list, need to make the Notes Summary Section a US vol 6, but can discuss this if it needs to be international, Care Plan Team Summary Section needs template ID
  • User defined piece needs further definition, another area of work how to create views (how to slice/dice CDA views)
  • Reviewed all the Use Cases, defining Care Team, right now in Care Team in HL7 there isn’t a lot of context, this Use Case will define who is the care provider for the pt in one region or another


Sponsor Updates

Tuesday evening meeting at one of the restaurants in the building, Jeremiah has left HIMSS and will no longer be the coordinator for PCC, Celina will take over PCC duties until a new coordinator is hired


Homework for Tonight

  • Read the Plan Definition and CDA Summary documents and provided Emma with comments.