Rad Tech Minutes 2020-01-27-30

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(Number in parentheses is cumulative total hours for week)

Monday, January 27, 2019: 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Central Time (CT)

IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
08:30-09:00: Breakfast, Welcome, Patent Disclosure Announcement, Agenda Review
  • Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager
  • Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
  • Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
  • Wim Corbijn, Philips
  • Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
  • Harald Zachmann, IBM Watson
  • Chris Lindop, Citius Tech
  • Brad Genereaux, SIIM
  • Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
  • David Kwan, CCO
  • Yi-Hwa Liu, Yale
  • Andrei Leontiev, Visage Imaging
  • Steve Nichols, GE
  • Charles Parisot, InteropEhealth
  • Hamid Neshat, Agfa
  • Nichole Knox, RSNA
    • Goal of meeting is to finalize documents by end of the meeting for Public Comment publication.
  • Reviewed Patent Disclosure Announcement
09:00-10:30: AI Result (1.5)
  • Read and agree document is okay for context
  • Flag comments and highlight in yellow items to come back to for further review
  • Action: Review new definition process; may need a new one for this document; add to DCC on either 1/28 or February call depending on outcome
10:30-12:00: AI Workflow (1.5)
12:00-13:00: Lunch
13:00-14:00: Technical Framework Maintenance (1) - Review Shareathon by Steve, CP Ballot Comments Review, SWF.b final text questionnaire
  • Focused on Shareathon review by Steve
14:00-15:30: AI Result (3)
  • Committee homework to review and return with questions and comments on 1/28
15:30-17:00: AI Workflow (3)


Tuesday, January 28, 2019: 8:30 am - 5:00 pm CT

IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
08:30-09:00: Breakfast, Welcome, Patent Disclosure Announcement, Agenda Review
  • Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager
  • Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
  • Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
  • Wim Corbijn, Philips
  • Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
  • Harald Zachmann, IBM Watson
  • Chris Lindop, Citius Tech
  • Brad Genereaux, SIIM
  • Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
  • David Kwan, CCO
  • Andrei Leontiev, Visage Imaging
  • Nichole Knox, RSNA
09:00-10:30: AI Result (4.5)
  • Committee homework - finish reading the display transaction and concept section. If committee can accomplish this, we can discuss open issues.
10:30-12:00: AI Workflow (4.5)
12:00-13:00: Lunch
13:00-15:00: TF Maintenance (3)
  • CP-RAD-258: Accepted with changes as discussed; move to Final Text)
  • CP-RAD-356: Accepted w/editorial changes; move to Final Text
  • CP-RAD-378: pending; may be able to review again later in the week
  • CP-RAD-379: Accepted; move to Final Text
  • CP-RAD-379: Accepted; move to Final Text
    • Due to number of people having problems accessing the IHE FTP site, Kinson is asking for a volunteer to maintain the FTP site, update the spreadsheet
  • Discussion about TF Maintenance proposed breakdown of Radiology Technical Framework
    • Editor will be assigned by end of this meeting but the plan is listed in link above.
    • Goal is to finish in this cycle by June/July.
15:00-17:00: AI Workflow (6.5)
  • Committee homework: Look at concept section. Pay particular attention to the 4.80.4.1.2.1.1. AI Service Request and the X.4.2.1 AI Workflow Clinical Example.
  • Desired results for end of day on 1/29/2020
    • TF Maintenance: SWF.b final text, incoming CP review, Final Review of CP-378, Connectathon debrief and preview of EU Connectathon
    • AI Workflow morning: Review Concept Section (e.g. business logic separate from task management, consideration regarding Orchestrator and Performer, etc)
    • AI Results afternoon – Through whole document, start review side bar comments
    • AI Workflow afternoon – Vol 1 complete review, Attribute requests for Rad-80 Create Workitem
  • Desired results for end of day on 1/30/2020
    • AI Result morning: Completed review most side bar comments, ready for Public Comment publication (remaining side bar comments will be in open questions)
    • AI Workflow morning: : Review Concept Section, in particular the reporting workflow integration, RAD-49 Instance Availability Notification
    • Scheduling and Evaluation Checkpoint
    • AI Workflow afternoon: Add references to UPS transactions to AIW-I and review those transactions to see if adjustments required.
    • TF Maintenance – Assign volume editor to start TF re-structure. Timeline for publication for final text (need to communicate to Mary)


Wednesday, January 29, 2019: 8:30 am - 5:00 pm CT

IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
08:30-08:30: Breakfast, Welcome, Patent Disclosure Announcement, Agenda Review
  • Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager
  • Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
  • Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
  • Wim Corbijn, Philips
  • Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
  • Harald Zachmann, IBM Watson
  • Chris Lindop, Citius Tech
  • Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
  • Andrei Leontiev, Visage Imaging
  • Teri Sippel Schmidt, Marquette University
  • Brad Genereaux, SIIM
  • Chris Carr, RSNA
  • Nichole Knox, RSNA
08:30-10:00: TF Maintenance (4.5) - SWF.b final text, incoming CP review, Final review of CP-378, Connectathon debrief and preview of EU Connectathon
  • IHE Rad Tech committee motioned to approve SWF.b for Final Text
    • Unanimously approved. Now goes to the planning committee. Kinson will send email to planning committee co-chairs with information on technical committee recommendation and offer to help.
  • IHE USA Connectathon Radiology Recap
10:00-10:30: AI Results
10:30-12:00: AI Workflow (8) - Review Concept Section (e.g. business logic separate from task management, consideration regarding Orchestrator and Performer, etc.)
12:00-13:00: Lunch
13:00-13:30: Discuss communication strategy to promote the AI profiles to the AI communities
  • AI Communication
  • Activities
    • February / March
      • Public comments publication (February / March)
        • Target audiences
          • the RSNA AI vendors - get the list and contact from Chris Carr
          • Neil's group
          • DICOM WG-23 - Larry
        • Webinar during public comment - Brad, Kevin Chris Lindop (March 3 1pm CT - 1 hour)
        • Target specific sections in the profile - Rad Planning Committee, RSNA RIC - Chris Roth, David Mandelson
      • ECR (March) - Vienna - Plan to have DSI session, Peter is our evangelist
      • HIMSS? (March 9-13) - Orlando - during the HIMSS-SIIM meeting?
    • April
      • RBMA (April) - Interoperability session - Kinson
      • IHE Rad TC Trial Implementation Preparation F2F meeting
    • May
      • Trial Implementation publication
    • June
      • SIIM
        • SIIM Hackathon (June) - Mohannad
        • SIIM session
    • July / August
      • IHE Radiology Webinar
    • September
      • SIIM C-MIMI (September 13-14)
    • October
      • ACR Informatics Summit (October 24-25)
    • November
      • RSNA (Nov) - Advocacy meeting at the AI Showcase area
    • Other
      • SIIM webinar - Any time - Brad / Kevin


  • Outreach opportunites
    • SIIM Outreach committee - Raym, Brad
    • SIIM machine learning committee
    • ACR DSI
    • RSNA RIC - Chris Roth


  • AI Champions
    • Kevin
    • Chris Lindop
    • Brad the Ambassador
    • Brad's demo (to be open source in Github)
13:30-15:30: AI Results (6.5) - Through whole document, start review side bar comments
15:30-17:30: AI Workflow (10) - Vol 1 complete review, Attribute requests for RAD-80 Create Workitem


Thursday, January 30, 2019: 8.30 am - 3:00 pm CT

IHE Radiology Technical Committee Roster
  • Lynn Felhofer, IHE Radiology Technical Project Manager
  • Kevin O'Donnell, Canon Medical
  • Jonathan Whitby, Canon Medical
  • Wim Corbijn, Philips
  • Kinson Ho, Change Healthcare
  • Harald Zachmann, IBM Watson
  • Chris Lindop, Citius Tech
  • Antje Schroeder, Siemens Healthineers
  • Andrei Leontiev, Visage Imaging
  • David Kwan, CCO
  • Chris Carr, RSNA
  • Nichole Knox, RSNA
08:30-10:00: AI Result (7.5) - Completed review most side bar comments, ready for Public Comment publication (remaining side bar comments will be in open questions)
10:00-11:00: AI Workflow (9) - Review Concept Section, in particular the reporting workflow integration, RAD-49 Instance Availability Notification
11:00-12:00: Scheduling + Evaluation Checkpoint
12:00-12:30: Lunch
12:30-14:00: AI Workflow (10.5) - Add references to UPS transactions to AIW-I and review those transactions to see if adjustments required.
14:00-15:00: TF Maintenance (7.5) - Assign volume editor to start TF re-structure. Timeline for publication for final text (need to communicate to Mary)

Annex: PC-Prep Closing Assessments

  • Profile Name: AI Workflow
    • Did we line-by-line the entire document
    • How ready is it to go out for PC: Completely, Almost, Soonish, Hmmm
    • Which open issues are risky, and why
    • Are all open issues phrased to solicit the needed information to close them?
    • Which use cases need more input
    • Which issues from the Kickoff Closing Assessment are still unresolved
    • What significant debates in PC-prep were not anticipated in the Kickoff
    • Review the "complexity points" in the evaluation. Did each get appropriate text coverage/resolution?
    • Do the effort points in the evaluation still seem right?
    • How does the scope feel in terms of being a useful chunk of work? (Needs more? Just right? More than enough?)
    • How is the work fitting in the allocated bandwidth? (Time to spare? Just right? Things were left undone?)
    • Did the Breakdown of Tasks accurately reflect the work? What extra tasks arose?
    • Looking forward, if you had to reduce scope to hit TI, what would you drop
    • Have the promised resources manifested
    • What vendors are engaged (for each actor)
    • When will we have sample data/objects
    • Who should specifically be targeted for Public Comment feedback
    • Was the profile where it needed to be at the start of the PC meeting (See "PC Prep Meeting" above), if not what was the gap
    • Was the profile where it needed to be at the end of the PC meeting, if not what was the gap
    • How many tcons would you like between now and PC Publication
    • Do you need any tcons before TI Prep Meeting


  • Profile Name: AI Results
    • Did we line-by-line the entire document
  • Yes (quickly - additional edits will be accepted by email before PC)
    • How ready is it to go out for PC: Completely, Almost, Soonish, Hmmm
  • Almost
    • Which open issues are risky, and why
  • Some interesting feedback hopefully, but don't see any risks to the profile
    • Are all open issues phrased to solicit the needed information to close them?
  • Yes. Just checked.
    • Which use cases need more input
  • None needed in the Use Case section per se, but would love feedback on the Filtering/Navigation/Display concepts.
    • Which issues from the Kickoff Closing Assessment are still unresolved
  • Weren't really any unresolved issues. Still need to figure out examples/samples
    • What significant debates in PC-prep were not anticipated in the Kickoff
  • No significant debates. Loads of little debates on many various details.
    • Review the "complexity points" in the evaluation. Did each get appropriate text coverage/resolution?
  • Yes. (Filtering/navigation was probably more than 0.5 - more like 1.5)
    • Do the effort points in the evaluation still seem right?
  • Mostly. Profile Review should have been a bit higher because of all the interesting details; the filtering discussion was also meatier; the transaction cloning was easier than expected.
    • How does the scope feel in terms of being a useful chunk of work? (Needs more? Just right? More than enough?)
  • About right
    • How is the work fitting in the allocated bandwidth? (Time to spare? Just right? Things were left undone?)
  • OK-ish, but tight. A few details moved to offline work.
    • Did the Breakdown of Tasks accurately reflect the work? What extra tasks arose?
  • Basically yes. Should maybe have mentioned "architectural" discussions
    • Looking forward, if you had to reduce scope to hit TI, what would you drop
  • Examples (but would work on them for later)
    • Have the promised resources manifested
  • Mostly, got input from clinical and technical but still pulling some additional clinical input
    • What vendors are engaged (for each actor)
  • Evidence Creators - IBM, Canon, Philips, Siemens, Visage, GE, CitiusTech, ...
  • Image Display - IBM, Canon, Philips, Siemens, Visage, GE, CitiusTech, ...
  • Doc Consumer - ?? haven't really explored
    • When will we have sample data/objects
  • Excellent question :-) Work on coordinating with RSNA 2020 demo - looking at Stroke, incidental pulmonary nodules
  • Good opportunity - should align examples to share work, ease uptake, etc.
    • Who should specifically be targeted for Public Comment feedback
  • ACR DSI, Radelement folks, AI Vendor list, Display vendors, WG-23, see Kinsons list
    • Was the profile where it needed to be at the start of the PC meeting (See "PC Prep Meeting" above), if not what was the gap
  • Close but not quite, had a mostly complete PC draft, still had a few open sections
    • Was the profile where it needed to be at the end of the PC meeting, if not what was the gap
  • Almost. Still some homework to clean up
    • How many tcons would you like between now and PC Publication
  • Plan to circulate for final clarity edit proposals
  • Plan one tcon to formally approve for PC (could be combined with a Workflow Tcon)
    • Do you need any tcons before TI Prep Meeting
  • Yes, can cancel if not needed. Might use for hand-grenades or to start edit reviews.
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