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* Brandstätter, Jürgen (CodeWerk Software Services and Development GmbH, co-chair IHE) | * Brandstätter, Jürgen (CodeWerk Software Services and Development GmbH, co-chair IHE) | ||
* Cocchiglia, Arianna (Arsenal.IT) | * Cocchiglia, Arianna (Arsenal.IT) | ||
+ | * de Jong, Tom (Nova Pro) | ||
* Demarmels, Marco (Lake Griffin, LLC) | * Demarmels, Marco (Lake Griffin, LLC) | ||
* Géraud, Thierry (CareFusion) | * Géraud, Thierry (CareFusion) | ||
* Letellier, Simon (EAHP) | * Letellier, Simon (EAHP) | ||
+ | * Parisot, Charles (GE Healthcare) | ||
* Robberecht, Marc (Agfa Healthcare) | * Robberecht, Marc (Agfa Healthcare) | ||
* Surugue, Jacqueline (EAHP) | * Surugue, Jacqueline (EAHP) | ||
* Zalunardo, Luca (Arsenal.IT) | * Zalunardo, Luca (Arsenal.IT) | ||
− | * | + | * Peytchev, Vassil (Epic) |
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== Greeting == | == Greeting == | ||
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==12:30-13:30 Use-case: Community – Hospital== | ==12:30-13:30 Use-case: Community – Hospital== | ||
+ | * Link: ftp://ftp.ihe.net/Pharmacy/yr2_2010-2011/Technical%20Committee/WhitePapers/Hospital&CommunityWP/Use%20case%20for%20Hospital%20and%20Community%20Pharmacy%20v1.3.doc | ||
+ | *Objective of the whitepaper should be to identify, if there is information missing or inconsistent in the Hospital or Community Pharmacy domain, which avoids smooth transition of information between them | ||
+ | *The use-cases should be splitted into short and distict pieces | ||
+ | :*Each of these should be evaluated if the border-system (attached to both domains) has enough information to perform the transition of information either way | ||
+ | *The longer versions shall be preserved for the detailed prescription | ||
+ | *Use-case "Hospital Dispense for inpatients and outpatients" combines too many things, seems inconsistent | ||
+ | *Jacqueline will inform Orlando about this | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ==13:00-13:15 Monitoring and Syncing with PCD: (Perfusion administration)== | ||
− | * | + | *Work item is accepted as a IHE Pharmacy work item. |
− | * | + | *Main contact: Jürgen at first (change possible if it makes sense) |
− | * | + | *Interested people |
− | * | + | :*Vassil, Marc, Jacqueline, Thierry (+ others from CareFusion) |
+ | :*Chris Courville (EPIC and part of PCD group) | ||
− | |||
− | * | + | ==13:15-13:30 Joint meeting with HL7 Pharmacy== |
− | * | + | *HL7 Pharmacy schedule |
− | * | + | :*Next out of cycle meeting: March 6.-7., Oslo |
− | * | + | :*WG meeting in May 13.-18., Vancouver |
+ | :*WG meeting in Sep 9.-14., Baltimore | ||
+ | *Tom checks if IHE F2F at 2012.06.19-20 in Brussels/DenHaag is possible for HL7 | ||
+ | *Otherwise date it for autumn | ||
+ | :*IHE schedule | ||
+ | :*Good date: End of October (would be the a technical meeting at IHE) | ||
+ | ::*either Oct 23/24 or 30/31 2012 | ||
+ | *Vassil/Charles will send ITI/PCC/QRPH schedule when available | ||
+ | ==13:30-15:15 Medication Documentation == | ||
+ | *News | ||
+ | :*Jose is not in the list of authors anymore | ||
+ | :*New lead authors: Marc, Julie | ||
+ | *Abstract | ||
+ | :*Medication profile = Medical History + Clinical information | ||
+ | :*Solving divided into two parts: | ||
+ | ::*Additional to "Bottom-Up" approach a Top-Down approach is added because of HL7 EHR WG, which deals with that topic by a "requirements"-driven approach, HL7 and IHE Pharmacy align to that | ||
+ | :*Collecting guidelines of different countries | ||
+ | ::*Australia, Canada, Netherlands (shall be set up there) | ||
+ | *Involved work groups: | ||
+ | :*IHE Pharmacy | ||
+ | :*HL7 Pharmacy | ||
+ | :*HL7 EHR Functional group | ||
+ | :*IHE PCC | ||
+ | *Risks and questions | ||
+ | :*Overlap between "Medication profile" and "Patient summary" | ||
+ | ::*Don't re-invent the wheel or invent it twice in parallel | ||
+ | :*Size of a Medication profile | ||
+ | :*What is different between the MP and the Med-Recon of PCC | ||
+ | :*Word "profile" might cause confusion with "IHE profiles" | ||
+ | *Discussion: "What is a Medication profile" | ||
+ | :*The components of a "Medication record" have been discussed | ||
+ | :*Shall be expressed in the "Top-down" chapter of the document | ||
+ | |||
+ | *Next steps | ||
+ | :*We need to ensure a togrough understanding of the requirements for information input and output into a Medication profile. | ||
+ | :*For this the first step is to document requirements such as scope statement and goals in terms of clinical decision support and how an EHR functional profile and as a subset of it a Medication profile serves the clinical decision process | ||
+ | ::*The primary focus will be on the perspective of a Pharmacist giving a Pharmaceutical Advice | ||
+ | :*The end goal is to assess which information we have and what we miss to ensure that medication related information is available and recorded as needed | ||
+ | :*Dedicated TCons to this topic. Schedule will be proposed by Marc/Tom | ||
+ | |||
+ | *Further schedule | ||
+ | :*Whitepaper is unlikely to be finished this season | ||
+ | :*Schedule will be relaxed according to availability of the contributors | ||
− | |||
==15:00-16:00 Glossary work item == | ==15:00-16:00 Glossary work item == | ||
− | * | + | * Link: https://bit.ly/sdk2u7 |
− | * | + | |
− | * | + | * Current goal restricted to finding a common glossary between IHE Pharmacy and HL7 Pharmacy |
− | * | + | :* Target audience of this glossary: Implementors, Software architects, Consultants, ... (domain experts know definitions anyway) |
+ | :* Other sources (ISO TC215 WG6, CEN TC251, WHO, EMEA, ...) are considered to retrieve definitions, but no contribution to these other bodies yet | ||
+ | ::* Exception: Definitions in column "Nictiz-definitions" were the starting point of the work (currenlty still in the spreadsheet, will be merged in and removed in the end) | ||
+ | :* Once completed, the result will be handed over too ISO TC215 WG6 | ||
+ | :* Note: Definitions of other sources sometimes do not serve the purposes our two groups (e.g. two precice, too complicated, ...) | ||
+ | |||
+ | *Review by Pharmacists intended | ||
+ | :*Julie for HL7 Pharmacy | ||
+ | :*Jacqueline for IHE Pharmacy | ||
+ | |||
+ | *Special topic "Definition of Prescription" | ||
+ | :*Jacqueline will check the professional definitions | ||
+ | |||
+ | *General procedure | ||
+ | :*Step 1: HL7 and IHE fill their columns with its definition | ||
+ | :*Step 2: Agreement between HL7 and IHE per column by the working group | ||
+ | :*Step 3: General agreement by the committees | ||
+ | :*Step 4: If necessary, CPs to affected profiles to align glossaries | ||
+ | :*Step 5: Hand over result to ISO 215 | ||
+ | |||
+ | *Further schedule | ||
+ | :* Intended to finish until end of season | ||
+ | :* Reason: Time pressure because a common glossary is fundamental for all profile development and cross-domain work to avoid confusion. It should be harmonized and stable as soon as possible. | ||
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== 16:45-17:00 Other business== | == 16:45-17:00 Other business== |
Latest revision as of 10:29, 3 February 2012
Attendees
- Brandstätter, Jürgen (CodeWerk Software Services and Development GmbH, co-chair IHE)
- Cocchiglia, Arianna (Arsenal.IT)
- de Jong, Tom (Nova Pro)
- Demarmels, Marco (Lake Griffin, LLC)
- Géraud, Thierry (CareFusion)
- Letellier, Simon (EAHP)
- Parisot, Charles (GE Healthcare)
- Robberecht, Marc (Agfa Healthcare)
- Surugue, Jacqueline (EAHP)
- Zalunardo, Luca (Arsenal.IT)
- Peytchev, Vassil (Epic)
Greeting
9:15-10:00 CMPD Exceptional cases
- This work item will be combined with work item "Refinement CMPD workflow". New name: "CMPD exceptional cases and concept of Therapeutic prescription" (the current prescription is ment to be a "logistic prescription")
- Exceptional cases shall be collected for scenario 1 + 2
- Dedicated TCons to this topic. Schedule will be proposed by Jürgen
- Volunteers:
- Jürgen, Tom, Marco, Jacqueline, Charles, Marc, Viktor should be
- HL7 Pharmacy works on the same topic, joint work intended by IHE and HL7
- Objective: Know what to change in Community Pharmacy profiles at the end of the season
- Do the changes in next season
10:00-11:00 Refinement CMPD workflows
- Was combined with work item "CMPD Exceptional cases"
11:00-12:00 CMPD: XDW at CPM
- Problem 1: Maintaining XDW Document cross-domain
- Publishing documents in foreign domains should be solved by ITI.
- Problem 2: Does proxying the managment of XDW make sense?
- Evaluate the whole usage of XDW at client-side in both scenarios and weight the amount of work which could be proxied.
- The extensions by work item "CMPD exceptional cases and concept of Therapeutic prescription" shall be considered
- Decision
- First work item "CMPD exceptional cases and concept of Therapeutic prescription" will be worked out
- Then this work item will be taken up again
12:30-13:30 Use-case: Community – Hospital
- Link: ftp://ftp.ihe.net/Pharmacy/yr2_2010-2011/Technical%20Committee/WhitePapers/Hospital&CommunityWP/Use%20case%20for%20Hospital%20and%20Community%20Pharmacy%20v1.3.doc
- Objective of the whitepaper should be to identify, if there is information missing or inconsistent in the Hospital or Community Pharmacy domain, which avoids smooth transition of information between them
- The use-cases should be splitted into short and distict pieces
- Each of these should be evaluated if the border-system (attached to both domains) has enough information to perform the transition of information either way
- The longer versions shall be preserved for the detailed prescription
- Use-case "Hospital Dispense for inpatients and outpatients" combines too many things, seems inconsistent
- Jacqueline will inform Orlando about this
13:00-13:15 Monitoring and Syncing with PCD: (Perfusion administration)
- Work item is accepted as a IHE Pharmacy work item.
- Main contact: Jürgen at first (change possible if it makes sense)
- Interested people
- Vassil, Marc, Jacqueline, Thierry (+ others from CareFusion)
- Chris Courville (EPIC and part of PCD group)
13:15-13:30 Joint meeting with HL7 Pharmacy
- HL7 Pharmacy schedule
- Next out of cycle meeting: March 6.-7., Oslo
- WG meeting in May 13.-18., Vancouver
- WG meeting in Sep 9.-14., Baltimore
- Tom checks if IHE F2F at 2012.06.19-20 in Brussels/DenHaag is possible for HL7
- Otherwise date it for autumn
- IHE schedule
- Good date: End of October (would be the a technical meeting at IHE)
- either Oct 23/24 or 30/31 2012
- Vassil/Charles will send ITI/PCC/QRPH schedule when available
13:30-15:15 Medication Documentation
- News
- Jose is not in the list of authors anymore
- New lead authors: Marc, Julie
- Abstract
- Medication profile = Medical History + Clinical information
- Solving divided into two parts:
- Additional to "Bottom-Up" approach a Top-Down approach is added because of HL7 EHR WG, which deals with that topic by a "requirements"-driven approach, HL7 and IHE Pharmacy align to that
- Collecting guidelines of different countries
- Australia, Canada, Netherlands (shall be set up there)
- Involved work groups:
- IHE Pharmacy
- HL7 Pharmacy
- HL7 EHR Functional group
- IHE PCC
- Risks and questions
- Overlap between "Medication profile" and "Patient summary"
- Don't re-invent the wheel or invent it twice in parallel
- Size of a Medication profile
- What is different between the MP and the Med-Recon of PCC
- Word "profile" might cause confusion with "IHE profiles"
- Discussion: "What is a Medication profile"
- The components of a "Medication record" have been discussed
- Shall be expressed in the "Top-down" chapter of the document
- Next steps
- We need to ensure a togrough understanding of the requirements for information input and output into a Medication profile.
- For this the first step is to document requirements such as scope statement and goals in terms of clinical decision support and how an EHR functional profile and as a subset of it a Medication profile serves the clinical decision process
- The primary focus will be on the perspective of a Pharmacist giving a Pharmaceutical Advice
- The end goal is to assess which information we have and what we miss to ensure that medication related information is available and recorded as needed
- Dedicated TCons to this topic. Schedule will be proposed by Marc/Tom
- Further schedule
- Whitepaper is unlikely to be finished this season
- Schedule will be relaxed according to availability of the contributors
15:00-16:00 Glossary work item
- Link: https://bit.ly/sdk2u7
- Current goal restricted to finding a common glossary between IHE Pharmacy and HL7 Pharmacy
- Target audience of this glossary: Implementors, Software architects, Consultants, ... (domain experts know definitions anyway)
- Other sources (ISO TC215 WG6, CEN TC251, WHO, EMEA, ...) are considered to retrieve definitions, but no contribution to these other bodies yet
- Exception: Definitions in column "Nictiz-definitions" were the starting point of the work (currenlty still in the spreadsheet, will be merged in and removed in the end)
- Once completed, the result will be handed over too ISO TC215 WG6
- Note: Definitions of other sources sometimes do not serve the purposes our two groups (e.g. two precice, too complicated, ...)
- Review by Pharmacists intended
- Julie for HL7 Pharmacy
- Jacqueline for IHE Pharmacy
- Special topic "Definition of Prescription"
- Jacqueline will check the professional definitions
- General procedure
- Step 1: HL7 and IHE fill their columns with its definition
- Step 2: Agreement between HL7 and IHE per column by the working group
- Step 3: General agreement by the committees
- Step 4: If necessary, CPs to affected profiles to align glossaries
- Step 5: Hand over result to ISO 215
- Further schedule
- Intended to finish until end of season
- Reason: Time pressure because a common glossary is fundamental for all profile development and cross-domain work to avoid confusion. It should be harmonized and stable as soon as possible.
16:45-17:00 Other business
- Tom informs that in the Netherlands the local HL7 Pharmacy and IHE Pharmacy do e joint comparison of the HMW profile to the national HL7v2.4 guidelines to that topic. Goal is to shift to IHE Pharmacy profiles
- Maybe some involved vendors are thereby anchoraged to step into HMW
- Make CMPD better readable
- Profile seem very complex at first sight, this might discourage people from using it
- Thoughts on better presentation
- Simplify actor diagram and remove parts which are just necessary in multi-domain
- Keepp first part of profile just single-domain, add multi-domain capabilities at the very end