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== 10:00 - 10:05 Welcome ==
 
== 10:00 - 10:05 Welcome ==
 
* Participants
 
* Participants
** Oliver Egger
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** Oliver Egger (Adhis) (before break)
** Foppa Annatina
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** Annatina Foppa (e-Health Suisse)
** Pero Grgic
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** Pero Grgic (e-Health Suisse)
** Juerg Bleuer
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** Juerg Bleuer (e-Health Suisse)
** Marc Robberecht
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** Marc Robberecht (Dedalus)
** Stephane Spahni
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** Stephane Spahni ( Geneva University)
** Michael Tan
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** Michael Tan (Nictiz) (scribe)
** Esther Peelen
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** Esther Peelen (GS1)
** Jose Costa Teixeira
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** Jose Costa Teixeira ( Zeora)
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** Trudy Hagg (Nictiz) (after break)
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** Leonidas Tzimis (Hospital Pharmacist of Chania)
  
 
== 10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists ==
 
== 10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists ==
 
* Medication Lists  FHIR profiles Maintenance  
 
* Medication Lists  FHIR profiles Maintenance  
** There will be change proposals for the maintenance.One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.  
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** Switzerland has had a projectathon in September, where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
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** Presentation from Oliver Egger can be found [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FxAf7mVoXtQNw-LvIxAu6K6U8T4KwxFf/view?usp=sharing here]
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** There are different possibilities to convert the data in both directions.
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** Discussion about retaining the original ID or the converted output. Does each document have an unique ID?
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* We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
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** Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
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** Oliver Egger explains the mapping between CDA and FHIR.
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* Change proposals for the current IHE profiles:
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** One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.  
 
** This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using MHD instead of XDS.
 
** This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using MHD instead of XDS.
** Stephane will write a proposal for PHARM-5, which will use ITI-65, ITI-67, ITI-68,  instead of ITI-18, ITI-43- ITI-45.
 
 
** PHARM-1 could also use on-line document generation.
 
** PHARM-1 could also use on-line document generation.
** Context conduction has been deprecated within HL7, but this has also to be discussed in Switzerland.
 
***Action items
 
** Switzerland has had a projectathon where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
 
** We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
 
** Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
 
** mapping between CDA and FHIR.
 
 
** MHD does not support on-demand document generation.
 
** MHD does not support on-demand document generation.
* 1 report
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** Stephane will write a proposal for PHARM-5, which will use ITI-65, ITI-67, ITI-68,  instead of ITI-18, ITI-43- ITI-45.
* 2 Work in Medication Information should support CDA as FHIR resources as well.
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** Context conduction has been deprecated within HL7, but this has also to be discussed in Switzerland.
* Must able to map between CDA and FHIR.
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* Oliver Egger is working on the mapping.
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* e-Medication was tested in a projectathon in September
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* Start from an Implementation Guide
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* Jose proposes to start with a logical model and the group agrees.
 
* Jose proposes to start with a logical model and the group agrees.
 
* In Switzerland they started with the dataset in ART-DECOR which is also a data model.
 
* In Switzerland they started with the dataset in ART-DECOR which is also a data model.
* We will need a task force to have more meetings biweekly. Start biweekly calls on even weeks starting on 27 November. Time slot: 13:00-14:00.
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* We will need a task force to have more meetings biweekly.  
There are different possibilities to convert the data both directions.
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* Start biweekly calls on even weeks starting on 27 November. Time slot: 13:00-14:00.
Each document will have a unique ID. Discussion about retaining the original ID or the converted output.  Have to sort out later.
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== 11:00 - 11:15 Break ==
 
== 11:00 - 11:15 Break ==
  
== 11:15 - 11:55 Immunisation ==
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== 11:15 - 12:10 Immunisation ==
 
* Projects in Europe
 
* Projects in Europe
 
** Belgian project on Child Health Immunization
 
** Belgian project on Child Health Immunization
*** This project will focus on the child health RIZIV. ONE
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*** This project will focus on the child health funded by RIZIV. ONE is also involved
** Currently Implementation Guide is available.
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*** The first workflow is the registration of the vaccination of the Child.
http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/riziv-inami/artifacts.html#vaccination
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*** Currently the [http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/riziv-inami/artifacts.html#vaccination Implementation Guide] is available.
* The first proces is the registration of the vaccination of the Child.
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*** Next is a reference implementation. And after that vendor will have to implement this standards.
* Next is a reference implementation. And after that vendor will have to implement this standards.
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*** It is replacing an existing implementation and moving from a Belgian standard to FHIR.  
 
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*** Flanders, Brussels, Wallonie and the German part of Belgium have different implementation and the new implementation should be the standard for all regions.  
* It is replacing an existing implementation and moving from a Belgian standard to FHIR. It is also because Flanders, Brussels, Wallonie and the German part of Belgium have different implementation and the new implementation should be the standard for all regions.  
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** European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
 
** European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
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*** This is a European Commission program to produce a common digital Vaccination registration to replace the yellow paperbased vaccination cards.
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*** An initial track has been started, but the current status is not formally known.
 
** Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
 
** Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
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*** The Dutch Youth Health Program is in production and uses HL7v3 transactions to register the vaccination of children.
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*** recently the PHR would like to download their data into their own local PHR system. Therefore Trudy is assigned to project to redesign the logical model of vaccinations.
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** Switzerland : has a common architecture for vaccinations. But cantons can decide to implement their own solution.
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*** Should have the same architecture as medication which will incorporate the existing architecture in the new configuration.
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*** Exchange format already exists.
  
* FHIR resources
 
** Fhir resources of [http://hl7.org/fhir/immunization.html immunizations] ( release 4).
 
* Comparison of the conceptual models of the different countries
 
* Switzerland : common architecture for vaccinations. List of current vaccinations. Should have the same architecture as medication. Should incorporate the existing architecture in the new configuration. Exchange format already exists.
 
  
* starting point is reviewing the logical models. We could start with the Belgian model.  
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* Starting point is to reviewing the logical modelsof the different countries. We could start with the Belgian model.  
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* Comparison of the conceptual models of the different countries:
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: [http://hl7.org/fhir/immunization.html FHIR immunizations]
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: [http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/riziv-inami/artifacts.html#vaccination Belgium]
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: [https://www.e-health-suisse.ch/de/technik-semantik/semantische-interoperabilitaet/austauschformate/bestehende-austauschformate.html#c1396 Swiss exchange format]
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: [http://ehealthsuisse.art-decor.org/cdachvacd-html-20200819T145048/dataset.html Switzerland]
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: [http://art-decor.org/decor/services/ProjectIndex?prefix=elgaimpf-&format=html&language=&ui=en-US Austria]
 
* the Dutch model is being reconsidered. We could look at the Dutch Model in December.
 
* the Dutch model is being reconsidered. We could look at the Dutch Model in December.
* we could look at the Swiss and Austrian Datamodels.
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* Michael will ask Simon or Jacqueline are familiar with any French initiatives.
http://ehealthsuisse.art-decor.org/cdachvacd-html-20200819T145048/dataset.html
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* Will discuss this topic in the IHE Pharmacy technical committee call of December 4th 2020 at 13:30 hour CET
http://art-decor.org/decor/services/ProjectIndex?prefix=elgaimpf-&format=html&language=&ui=en-US
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== 11:55 - 12:00 Any other business ==
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== 12:10 - 12:15 Any other business ==
  
 
* We need to find some topics for presenting in IHE Europe.
 
* We need to find some topics for presenting in IHE Europe.
 
* This could be work in progress to find more backing for IHE Pharmacy.
 
* This could be work in progress to find more backing for IHE Pharmacy.
  
== 12:00 Adjourn ==
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== 12:15 Adjourn ==
  
  

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Minutes

10:00 - 10:05 Welcome

  • Participants
    • Oliver Egger (Adhis) (before break)
    • Annatina Foppa (e-Health Suisse)
    • Pero Grgic (e-Health Suisse)
    • Juerg Bleuer (e-Health Suisse)
    • Marc Robberecht (Dedalus)
    • Stephane Spahni ( Geneva University)
    • Michael Tan (Nictiz) (scribe)
    • Esther Peelen (GS1)
    • Jose Costa Teixeira ( Zeora)
    • Trudy Hagg (Nictiz) (after break)
    • Leonidas Tzimis (Hospital Pharmacist of Chania)

10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists

  • Medication Lists FHIR profiles Maintenance
    • Switzerland has had a projectathon in September, where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
    • Presentation from Oliver Egger can be found here
    • There are different possibilities to convert the data in both directions.
    • Discussion about retaining the original ID or the converted output. Does each document have an unique ID?
  • We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
    • Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
    • Oliver Egger explains the mapping between CDA and FHIR.
  • Change proposals for the current IHE profiles:
    • One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.
    • This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using MHD instead of XDS.
    • PHARM-1 could also use on-line document generation.
    • MHD does not support on-demand document generation.
    • Stephane will write a proposal for PHARM-5, which will use ITI-65, ITI-67, ITI-68, instead of ITI-18, ITI-43- ITI-45.
    • Context conduction has been deprecated within HL7, but this has also to be discussed in Switzerland.
  • Jose proposes to start with a logical model and the group agrees.
  • In Switzerland they started with the dataset in ART-DECOR which is also a data model.
  • We will need a task force to have more meetings biweekly.
  • Start biweekly calls on even weeks starting on 27 November. Time slot: 13:00-14:00.

11:00 - 11:15 Break

11:15 - 12:10 Immunisation

  • Projects in Europe
    • Belgian project on Child Health Immunization
      • This project will focus on the child health funded by RIZIV. ONE is also involved
      • The first workflow is the registration of the vaccination of the Child.
      • Currently the Implementation Guide is available.
      • Next is a reference implementation. And after that vendor will have to implement this standards.
      • It is replacing an existing implementation and moving from a Belgian standard to FHIR.
      • Flanders, Brussels, Wallonie and the German part of Belgium have different implementation and the new implementation should be the standard for all regions.
    • European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
      • This is a European Commission program to produce a common digital Vaccination registration to replace the yellow paperbased vaccination cards.
      • An initial track has been started, but the current status is not formally known.
    • Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
      • The Dutch Youth Health Program is in production and uses HL7v3 transactions to register the vaccination of children.
      • recently the PHR would like to download their data into their own local PHR system. Therefore Trudy is assigned to project to redesign the logical model of vaccinations.
    • Switzerland : has a common architecture for vaccinations. But cantons can decide to implement their own solution.
      • Should have the same architecture as medication which will incorporate the existing architecture in the new configuration.
      • Exchange format already exists.


  • Starting point is to reviewing the logical modelsof the different countries. We could start with the Belgian model.
  • Comparison of the conceptual models of the different countries:
FHIR immunizations
Belgium
Swiss exchange format
Switzerland
Austria
  • the Dutch model is being reconsidered. We could look at the Dutch Model in December.
  • Michael will ask Simon or Jacqueline are familiar with any French initiatives.
  • Will discuss this topic in the IHE Pharmacy technical committee call of December 4th 2020 at 13:30 hour CET

12:10 - 12:15 Any other business

  • We need to find some topics for presenting in IHE Europe.
  • This could be work in progress to find more backing for IHE Pharmacy.

12:15 Adjourn

Pharmacy Planning Committee