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== 10:00 - 10:05 Welcome ==
 
== 10:00 - 10:05 Welcome ==
 
* Participants
 
* Participants
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** Oliver Egger
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** Oliver Egger (Adhis) (before break)
−
** Foppa Annatina
+
** Annatina Foppa (e-Health Suisse)
−
** Pero Grgic
+
** Pero Grgic (e-Health Suisse)
−
** Juerg Bleuer
+
** Juerg Bleuer (e-Health Suisse)
−
** Marc Robberecht
+
** Marc Robberecht (Dedalus)
−
** Stephane Spahni
+
** Stephane Spahni ( Geneva University)
−
** Michael Tan
+
** Michael Tan (Nictiz) (scribe)
−
** Esther Peelen
+
** Esther Peelen (GS1)
−
** Jose Costa Teixeira
+
** Jose Costa Teixeira ( Zeora)
 +
** Trudy Hagg (Nictiz) (after break)
 +
** Leonidas Tzimis (Hospital Pharmacist of Chania)
  
 
== 10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists ==
 
== 10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists ==
 
* Medication Lists  FHIR profiles Maintenance  
 
* Medication Lists  FHIR profiles Maintenance  
−
** There will be change proposals for the maintenance.One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.
+
** Switzerland has had a projectathon in September, where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
−
** This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using HMD instead of XDS.
+
** Presentation from Oliver Egger can be found [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FxAf7mVoXtQNw-LvIxAu6K6U8T4KwxFf/view?usp=sharing here]
−
** Switzerland has had a projectathon where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
+
** There are different possibilities to convert the data in both directions.
−
** We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
+
** Discussion about retaining the original ID or the converted output. Does each document have an unique ID?
 +
 
 +
* We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
 
** Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
 
** Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
 +
** Oliver Egger explains the mapping between CDA and FHIR.
 +
 +
* Change proposals for the current IHE profiles:
 +
** One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.
 +
** This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using MHD instead of XDS.
 +
** PHARM-1 could also use on-line document generation.
 +
** MHD does not support on-demand document generation.
 +
** Stephane will write a proposal for PHARM-5, which will use ITI-65, ITI-67, ITI-68,  instead of ITI-18, ITI-43- ITI-45.
 +
** Context conduction has been deprecated within HL7, but this has also to be discussed in Switzerland.
 +
 +
* Jose proposes to start with a logical model and the group agrees.
 +
* In Switzerland they started with the dataset in ART-DECOR which is also a data model.
 +
* We will need a task force to have more meetings biweekly.
 +
* Start biweekly calls on even weeks starting on 27 November. Time slot: 13:00-14:00.
  
 
== 11:00 - 11:15 Break ==
 
== 11:00 - 11:15 Break ==
  
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== 11:15 - 11:55 Immunisation ==
+
== 11:15 - 12:10 Immunisation ==
 
* Projects in Europe
 
* Projects in Europe
−
** Belgian projectr on Child Health Immunization
+
** Belgian project on Child Health Immunization
 +
*** This project will focus on the child health funded by RIZIV. ONE is also involved
 +
*** The first workflow is the registration of the vaccination of the Child.
 +
*** Currently the [http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/riziv-inami/artifacts.html#vaccination Implementation Guide] is available.
 +
*** Next is a reference implementation. And after that vendor will have to implement this standards.
 +
*** It is replacing an existing implementation and moving from a Belgian standard to FHIR.
 +
*** Flanders, Brussels, Wallonie and the German part of Belgium have different implementation and the new implementation should be the standard for all regions.
 
** European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
 
** European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
 +
*** This is a European Commission program to produce a common digital Vaccination registration to replace the yellow paperbased vaccination cards.
 +
*** An initial track has been started, but the current status is not formally known.
 
** Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
 
** Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
 +
*** The Dutch Youth Health Program is in production and uses HL7v3 transactions to register the vaccination of children.
 +
*** recently the PHR would like to download their data into their own local PHR system. Therefore Trudy is assigned to project to redesign the logical model of vaccinations.
 +
** Switzerland : has a common architecture for vaccinations. But cantons can decide to implement their own solution.
 +
*** Should have the same architecture as medication which will incorporate the existing architecture in the new configuration.
 +
*** Exchange format already exists.
 +
 +
 +
* Starting point is to reviewing the logical modelsof the different countries. We could start with the Belgian model.
 +
* Comparison of the conceptual models of the different countries:
 +
: [http://hl7.org/fhir/immunization.html FHIR immunizations]
 +
: [http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/riziv-inami/artifacts.html#vaccination Belgium]
 +
: [https://www.e-health-suisse.ch/de/technik-semantik/semantische-interoperabilitaet/austauschformate/bestehende-austauschformate.html#c1396 Swiss exchange format]
 +
: [http://ehealthsuisse.art-decor.org/cdachvacd-html-20200819T145048/dataset.html Switzerland]
 +
: [http://art-decor.org/decor/services/ProjectIndex?prefix=elgaimpf-&format=html&language=&ui=en-US Austria]
 +
* the Dutch model is being reconsidered. We could look at the Dutch Model in December.
 +
* Michael will ask Simon or Jacqueline are familiar with any French initiatives.
 +
* Will discuss this topic in the IHE Pharmacy technical committee call of December 4th 2020 at 13:30 hour CET
  
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* FHIR resources
+
== 12:10 - 12:15 Any other business ==
−
** Fhir resources of [http://hl7.org/fhir/immunization.html immunizations]
 
  
−
== 11:55 - 12:00 Any other business ==
+
* We need to find some topics for presenting in IHE Europe.
 +
* This could be work in progress to find more backing for IHE Pharmacy.
  
−
== 12:00 Adjourn ==
+
== 12:15 Adjourn ==
  
  

Latest revision as of 08:33, 23 October 2020

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Minutes

10:00 - 10:05 Welcome

  • Participants
    • Oliver Egger (Adhis) (before break)
    • Annatina Foppa (e-Health Suisse)
    • Pero Grgic (e-Health Suisse)
    • Juerg Bleuer (e-Health Suisse)
    • Marc Robberecht (Dedalus)
    • Stephane Spahni ( Geneva University)
    • Michael Tan (Nictiz) (scribe)
    • Esther Peelen (GS1)
    • Jose Costa Teixeira ( Zeora)
    • Trudy Hagg (Nictiz) (after break)
    • Leonidas Tzimis (Hospital Pharmacist of Chania)

10:05 - 11:00 Medication Lists

  • Medication Lists FHIR profiles Maintenance
    • Switzerland has had a projectathon in September, where medication list was the focus (modification of a medication list through PADV and MTP documents).
    • Presentation from Oliver Egger can be found here
    • There are different possibilities to convert the data in both directions.
    • Discussion about retaining the original ID or the converted output. Does each document have an unique ID?
  • We need to clear up the models of CDA and FHIR.The EPR should support both standards.
    • Gazelle tools need to be able to validate FHIR as well as CDA.
    • Oliver Egger explains the mapping between CDA and FHIR.
  • Change proposals for the current IHE profiles:
    • One new transaction has to be introduced, which will be Pharm-5.
    • This will be almost like Pharm-1, but will be using MHD instead of XDS.
    • PHARM-1 could also use on-line document generation.
    • MHD does not support on-demand document generation.
    • Stephane will write a proposal for PHARM-5, which will use ITI-65, ITI-67, ITI-68, instead of ITI-18, ITI-43- ITI-45.
    • Context conduction has been deprecated within HL7, but this has also to be discussed in Switzerland.
  • Jose proposes to start with a logical model and the group agrees.
  • In Switzerland they started with the dataset in ART-DECOR which is also a data model.
  • We will need a task force to have more meetings biweekly.
  • Start biweekly calls on even weeks starting on 27 November. Time slot: 13:00-14:00.

11:00 - 11:15 Break

11:15 - 12:10 Immunisation

  • Projects in Europe
    • Belgian project on Child Health Immunization
      • This project will focus on the child health funded by RIZIV. ONE is also involved
      • The first workflow is the registration of the vaccination of the Child.
      • Currently the Implementation Guide is available.
      • Next is a reference implementation. And after that vendor will have to implement this standards.
      • It is replacing an existing implementation and moving from a Belgian standard to FHIR.
      • Flanders, Brussels, Wallonie and the German part of Belgium have different implementation and the new implementation should be the standard for all regions.
    • European project on European Vaccination Card Chafea.
      • This is a European Commission program to produce a common digital Vaccination registration to replace the yellow paperbased vaccination cards.
      • An initial track has been started, but the current status is not formally known.
    • Dutch project on logical model of vaccinations.
      • The Dutch Youth Health Program is in production and uses HL7v3 transactions to register the vaccination of children.
      • recently the PHR would like to download their data into their own local PHR system. Therefore Trudy is assigned to project to redesign the logical model of vaccinations.
    • Switzerland : has a common architecture for vaccinations. But cantons can decide to implement their own solution.
      • Should have the same architecture as medication which will incorporate the existing architecture in the new configuration.
      • Exchange format already exists.


  • Starting point is to reviewing the logical modelsof the different countries. We could start with the Belgian model.
  • Comparison of the conceptual models of the different countries:
FHIR immunizations
Belgium
Swiss exchange format
Switzerland
Austria
  • the Dutch model is being reconsidered. We could look at the Dutch Model in December.
  • Michael will ask Simon or Jacqueline are familiar with any French initiatives.
  • Will discuss this topic in the IHE Pharmacy technical committee call of December 4th 2020 at 13:30 hour CET

12:10 - 12:15 Any other business

  • We need to find some topics for presenting in IHE Europe.
  • This could be work in progress to find more backing for IHE Pharmacy.

12:15 Adjourn

Pharmacy Planning Committee

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