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==Recording==
 
==Recording==
Recording available for download at [https://app.box.com/s/s7u3iqk2p9octgnvszdhbqscuzo1delt HERE]
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Recording available for download at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uyfsu8XM-bynjeA1D08fN0u1vxbtYPhv/view?usp=sharing HERE]
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uyfsu8XM-bynjeA1D08fN0u1vxbtYPhv/view?usp=sharing
  
==Attendees==
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<table style="height: 366px;" width="439">
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{| class="wikitable"
<tr>
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!  !!
<td width="169"><strong>Name</strong></td>
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|-
<td width="162"><strong>Organization </strong></td>
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| Megumi Kondo || Sakura Finetek Japan
</tr>
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|-
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| JD Nolen ||
<td width="169">Carolyn Knapik</td>
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|-
<td width="162">CAP</td>
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| Kevin Schap || CAP
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|-
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| Riki Merrick || APHL/ Vernetzt LLC
<td width="169">Megumi Kondo</td>
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<td width="162">Sakwa Finetek (IHE)</td>
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| Francesca Vanzo || Arsenal IT
</tr>
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|-
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| Francois Macary || Phast
<td width="169">Naomi Ishii</td>
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|-
<td width="162">JAHIS</td>
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| Kenichi Takahashi || Hitachi High-Technologies
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|-
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| David Booker, MD FCAP || CAP
<td width="169">Francois Macary</td>
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<td width="162">ASIP Sante</td>
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| Sabrina Krejci || CAP  
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| Dan Rutz || EPIC
<td width="169">Luca Giachetti</td>
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<td width="162">Inpeco</td>
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| Raj Dash, MD FCAP || CAP/Duke
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|}
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<td width="169">Jim Harrison</td>
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<td width="162">CAP</td>
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<td width="169">Ed Heierman</td>
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<td width="162">Abbott</td>
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<td width="169">Laurent Lardin</td>
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<td width="162">BioMerieux</td>
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<td width="169">Raj Dash</td>
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<td width="162">CAP</td>
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<td width="169">Mary Kennedy</td>
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<td width="162">CAP</td>
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<td width="169">Christel Daniel</td>
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<td width="162">AP-HP</td>
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<td width="169">Alessandro Sulis</td>
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<td width="162">CRS4</td>
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<td width="169">Francesca Frexia</td>
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<td width="162">CRS4</td>
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</table>
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==Minutes==
 
==Minutes==
<ol>
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First Hour Updates
<li>For future calls, move to 1 hour earlier. 8-10am CDT
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<ol>
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F2F November meeting update (Francois)
<li>First hour: Issues from the planning committees</li>
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* Will be held at PHAST office: 25 Rue du Louvre, Paris
<li>Second hour: Issues from the Technical committees (the technical discussion will occur immediately after the planning committee discussions, and may occur before the top of the hour.)</li>
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* Spring/early summer meeting will be in Tokyo, Japan
</ol>
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* Attendee list shows 13 in person; a few additional folks via phone (Dan might come, but for sure via the phone)
</li>
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<li>Agenda reviewed: an update from Mary K. regarding the DCC (Domain Coordinators Committee) meeting was added.</li>
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LCC update (Riki, Jim)
<li>Merge process was reviewed:
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* Riki still has not had a chance to add in the message structure for LAB-7 to update to the new HL7 message structure in v2.7
<ol>
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* will then be posted for comment, since we made significant changes since the last for comment review
<li>Why are we merging? Two new reasons were added:
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* Jim will request review from more CAP folks
<ol>
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*Jim will see, if he can help Riki out – THANK YOU!!!
<li>The 2 domains have a common secretariat in CAP. Hope to retain both current secretariats (Mary for AP and Carolyn for Laboratory) as secretariat workload will most likely double</li>
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<li>Hope that vendor involvement across AP and Lab will be enhanced, as merge process will allow for increased visibility. We have historically had low vendor involvement on the AP side.</li>
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</ol>
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Publication of APSR 2.1 (Francois)
</li>
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* Created in art décor and pubswiki – have been working through issues with creating the pdf version
<li>Why we should be careful? Risk added by Christel:
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* It is the pilot process for this kind of publication process
<ol>
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* We also had review by the BRIGD model group for harmonization of anatomic pathology reports and that resulted in the changes making APSR 2.1; the changes to BRIDG are in ballot at HL7 right now (till 9/24)
<li>It may be more difficult to involve vendors in France and Germany with the broader scope (AP + CP) of the merged domains.</li>
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<li>We can mitigate this risk by clearly defining topics with time frames slotted for their discussion on future agendas, so folks can attend the topics pertinent to them.</li>
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DICOM to Specimen DAM mapping update (Raj/Riki)
</ol>
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* Comparing the DICOM Suppl 122 to the Specimen DAM
</li>
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* Tues 3 – 4 PM EDT on the HL7 specimen call:
</ol>
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Online Meeting Link: https://join.freeconferencecall.com/ord
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Online Meeting ID: ord
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OR
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Dial-in Number (United States): (515) 739-1430
<li>Vendors currently who have expressed interest in participating in Digital Imaging profiles: Cerner, MIPS (Filip)</li>
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Access Code: 294586
</ul>
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<ol>
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[Minutes are here: https://confluence.hl7.org/display/OO/OO+Meeting+Minutes ]
<li>How should we proceed?
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*  Has PSS in HL7 moving through the process – currently at the Steering Division step
<ol>
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** In case there are changes needed for the specimen DAM and subsequently the HL7 products like v2 messaging (or V3, CDA or FHIR), which we will use for the first digital pathology Workflow (DPW) profile
<li>DCC update: We can work with Chris Carr-they will be happy to help us.
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* How much of this mapping needs to be completed in order to get the DPW completed?
<ol>
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** Use case is the acquisition of the whole slide image (becomes a specimen)
<li>They recommend that we do not change the names of existing profiles, but rather add links to those profiles once new wiki is created.</li>
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** Will need to define the actors for the DPW
<li>It will take quite some time to accomplish the merge.</li>
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** Should also review SET in order to make sure it covers this
<li>Riki and Mary both attend the DCC calls and will be our connection to DCC</li>
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** For the white paper we should know the gaps, but in the profile we would have to have the solutions to the gaps in the v2 messages
</ol>
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</li>
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Digital Pathology white paper (Raj)
<li>Christel will promote and explain the benefits and risks along with risk mitigation to the AP community.</li>
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* Philips has contributed the HL7 message definition a a starting point and will merge this into the paper
</ol>
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* White paper has been updated with several of the diagrams from the last F2F
</li>
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* Also added transactions
<li>Formal agreement to merge:
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* Timeline will need to be adjusted – first draft was due for publication September 17 – new goal for group review by end of September
<ol>
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* EncounterBased Workflow document (EBIW)
<li>Suggest September 2015 for distribution of the ballot for merging AP + Lab</li>
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** Capture transaction that occur with indirect orders from an encounter (image acquired as part of the normal workflow – example: digital image created as part of the overall macro review of the gross description – image would be part of the result
<li>Clarification on “who can vote?”
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** Now we know it exists, will keep in mind, if we find a use case in anatomic pathology
<ol>
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<li>Basic rules are:
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<ol>
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<li>You must be have a Roster status of co-chair, liaison, or voting (or alternate)</li>
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<li>You must not miss 3 or more consecutive meetings</li>
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<li>For Laboratory Roster status: see <a href="http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Laboratory_Meeting_Roster#See_Also">http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Laboratory_Meeting_Roster#See_Also</a></li>
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<li>For AP Roster status: see <a href="http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Anatomic_Pathology#Meeting_Roster">http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Anatomic_Pathology#Meeting_Roster</a></li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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<li>For more IHE voting information, see:
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<ol>
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<li><a href="http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Committee_Rosters,_Quorum_and_Voting">http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Committee_Rosters,_Quorum_and_Voting</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Voting_Privileges">http://wiki.ihe.net/index.php?title=Voting_Privileges</a></li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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<li>Next IHE AP + Lab domains European F2F: Thomas Shrader invited us to meet in Berlin, coordinated with the DICOM 26 WG meeting in May, 2016.</li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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</ol>
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Technical Topics
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<ol start="5">
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<li>Review of LAW 1.4 10 Proposed Test Cases
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<ol>
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<li>Comments from Dmytro and Ed reviewed</li>
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<li>Further discussion with Anne Gaelle needed</li>
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<li>These are more restrictive than original test cases</li>
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<li>Ed to ask IHE Team (Anne and Eric) as to how to handle different options for additional information, such as dilutions, demographics, etc.</li>
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<li>[[Image: Testcases.jpg |500px]]</li>
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TMA – no progress at the moment 
<li>The 10 test cases seem reasonable and encompassing: no need to add additional or delete any of these test cases.</li>
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Call adjourned 9:37 AM EDT
<li>Comments were added to Test Cases # 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.</li>
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<li>Test Cases #5 and 7 – only supports query by WOS</li>
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<li>Test Case #8: Change name of this test case to “LAW Query Prior to Specimen Arrival at AM”.</li>
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<li>Ed to work with Anne on updating the test cases by 19 JUNE 2015</li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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<li>Upcoming Connectathon
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<ol>
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<li>Scheduled for the week of July 6</li>
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<li>Registration closes June 10, but they will work with vendors to get them registered.</li>
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<li>Conformance link truncations have been sent to Anne Gaelle</li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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<li>Upcoming IHE Webinar on 22 JULY 2015
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<ol>
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<li>To be given by Riki and Raj</li>
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<li>Merger of the IHE Anatomic Pathology and IHE Laboratory Domains</li>
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</ol>
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</li>
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<li>Next Call is scheduled for 21 JULY 2015 at 8am CDT</li>
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<li>Meeting adjourned at 1050am CDT</li>
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</ol>
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<strong> </strong>
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<strong> </strong>
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Second Hour
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* SET message structure review (Alessandro) – cancelled due to the Scientific School Interoperability in Healthcare meeting in Pula, Italy 9/17 – 9/20

Latest revision as of 15:50, 17 December 2018

Back to IHE Pathology and Laboratory Medicine (PaLM) Domain

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Recording

Recording available for download at HERE https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uyfsu8XM-bynjeA1D08fN0u1vxbtYPhv/view?usp=sharing


Megumi Kondo Sakura Finetek Japan
JD Nolen
Kevin Schap CAP
Riki Merrick APHL/ Vernetzt LLC
Francesca Vanzo Arsenal IT
Francois Macary Phast
Kenichi Takahashi Hitachi High-Technologies
David Booker, MD FCAP CAP
Sabrina Krejci CAP
Dan Rutz EPIC
Raj Dash, MD FCAP CAP/Duke

Minutes

First Hour Updates

F2F November meeting update (Francois)

  • Will be held at PHAST office: 25 Rue du Louvre, Paris
  • Spring/early summer meeting will be in Tokyo, Japan
  • Attendee list shows 13 in person; a few additional folks via phone (Dan might come, but for sure via the phone)

LCC update (Riki, Jim)

  • Riki still has not had a chance to add in the message structure for LAB-7 to update to the new HL7 message structure in v2.7
  • will then be posted for comment, since we made significant changes since the last for comment review
  • Jim will request review from more CAP folks
  • Jim will see, if he can help Riki out – THANK YOU!!!


Publication of APSR 2.1 (Francois)

  • Created in art décor and pubswiki – have been working through issues with creating the pdf version
  • It is the pilot process for this kind of publication process
  • We also had review by the BRIGD model group for harmonization of anatomic pathology reports and that resulted in the changes making APSR 2.1; the changes to BRIDG are in ballot at HL7 right now (till 9/24)

DICOM to Specimen DAM mapping update (Raj/Riki)

  • Comparing the DICOM Suppl 122 to the Specimen DAM
  • Tues 3 – 4 PM EDT on the HL7 specimen call:

Online Meeting Link: https://join.freeconferencecall.com/ord Online Meeting ID: ord OR Dial-in Number (United States): (515) 739-1430 Access Code: 294586

[Minutes are here: https://confluence.hl7.org/display/OO/OO+Meeting+Minutes ]

  • Has PSS in HL7 moving through the process – currently at the Steering Division step
    • In case there are changes needed for the specimen DAM and subsequently the HL7 products like v2 messaging (or V3, CDA or FHIR), which we will use for the first digital pathology Workflow (DPW) profile
  • How much of this mapping needs to be completed in order to get the DPW completed?
    • Use case is the acquisition of the whole slide image (becomes a specimen)
    • Will need to define the actors for the DPW
    • Should also review SET in order to make sure it covers this
    • For the white paper we should know the gaps, but in the profile we would have to have the solutions to the gaps in the v2 messages

Digital Pathology white paper (Raj)

  • Philips has contributed the HL7 message definition a a starting point and will merge this into the paper
  • White paper has been updated with several of the diagrams from the last F2F
  • Also added transactions
  • Timeline will need to be adjusted – first draft was due for publication September 17 – new goal for group review by end of September
  • EncounterBased Workflow document (EBIW)
    • Capture transaction that occur with indirect orders from an encounter (image acquired as part of the normal workflow – example: digital image created as part of the overall macro review of the gross description – image would be part of the result
    • Now we know it exists, will keep in mind, if we find a use case in anatomic pathology

TMA – no progress at the moment  Call adjourned 9:37 AM EDT

Second Hour

  • SET message structure review (Alessandro) – cancelled due to the Scientific School Interoperability in Healthcare meeting in Pula, Italy 9/17 – 9/20