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Reviewed minutes from 2008.10.15
 
        Ken - Avoid usage of PnP? e.g., MDPnP folks, over used - more confusing than helpful
 
        Jan - also there is ALWAYS some level of configuration / pre-coordination to make it ... PnP
 
                IOW - may never be achievable
 
                e.g., -30300 A/P had pre-coordination IP addresses
 
        Ken - Break it into the "self ID" part of the protocol ... reporting ... configuration ...
 
                OR Discovery & Association
 
                OR Data Reporting  (or Data Reporting Polled & Data Reporting Asynchronous)
 
                OR Bi-directional Information Exchange
 
                OR External Control
 
        !!!WP - include description of PnP (clear definition) + need for pre-coordination
 
  
        "CLC" (closed loop control) may be similarly overloaded & misunderstood (a la real-time)
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:* General discussion around the use of the terms "plug-and-play" and "closed-loop control".
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:* Key problems are that their meanings are overloaded (imply different concepts to different people), and sometimes "politically" charged, both of which result more confusion than clarity.
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:* Jan indicated that there is ALWAYS some level of configuration / pre-coordination necessary in PnP systems; in other words, OTS PnP may never be achievable.  A related was the 11073-30300 standard and the pre-configuration of the access point mappings from IRDA ports to IP addresses.
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:* Profile titles should be formalized as:
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:::- Data Reporting (or Data Reporting Polled & Data Reporting Asynchronous
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:::- Bi-directional Information Exchange
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:* White paper should clarify the description of PnP per the above discussion (esp. the need for pre-coordination).
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:* Update DPI profile name proposals
  
 
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Pairing
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:::- A device may need two radios (short & long range)
        may have two radios (short & long range)
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:::- Pairing may be accomplished manually ... though auto methods exist, they are still error prone
        may be manually entered
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:::- Need to look at different layers of the problem ... technology dependent / independent
        Need to look at different layers of the problem ... technology dependent / independent
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:::- ICE spec includes the need to add devices into the PoC context without disrupting any other device connections / communication.
        ICE spec "nasty" is ... adding into an environment w/o disrupting other devices
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:::- Must be secure and include contextual awareness
        Must be secure, include contextual awareness, etc. ...
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:* Given the issues, wireless should be discussed in the white paper but the profile may be delayed until the 2nd DPI cycle.
WP - Including section in white paper ... but may need to be addressed in subsequent phases
 
 
 
Thursday - Include wireless u/c & archicture discussion w/ Phil Raymond
 
  
 
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Revision as of 06:44, 22 October 2008

(DPI Profile Main Page)

Meeting Purpose

IHE PCD Device Point-of-care Integration (DPI) profile development discussions.

WebEx Information

Topic: IHE PCD DPI Profile TG

Date: Friday, October 17, 2008

Time: 10:00, Eastern Daylight Time (GMT -04:00, New York)

Duration: 90 Minutes


Note: Specific web & phone informaiton will be provided via e-mail to group members.

Contact Manny Furst for more information.

Proposed Agenda

1 Approve Minutes from previous session
2 Review Action Items
3 Application vs. Deployment Archicture
4 Review Transport Issues & Architectures for PnP
5 Topological Models Review
x Open discussion

Attachments / Materials

Minutes for approval: <add minutes links here>

Minutes

Participants

Chair/Host: Todd Cooper (BSF)
Steve Borchers (Spacelabs), John Garguilo (NIST), Colin FX (Epic), Jeff Rinda (Hospira), John Rhoads (Philips), Ken Fuchs (Draeger), Phil Raymond (Philips), Steve Merritt (Baystate Health), Jan Wittenber (Philips)

Discussion

Item Topic Discussion
1 Introductions & Agenda Review
- Chair
Status/Discussion:

Decisions/Issues:

  • Agenda reviewed & approved

Action(s):

2 Approval of Minutes
- Chair
Status/Discussion:

Decisions/Issues:

  • Minutes from 2008.10.15 reviewed & approved

Action(s):

3 PnP, CLC & Supplement Names
- Group
Status/Discussion:
  • General discussion around the use of the terms "plug-and-play" and "closed-loop control".
  • Key problems are that their meanings are overloaded (imply different concepts to different people), and sometimes "politically" charged, both of which result more confusion than clarity.
  • Jan indicated that there is ALWAYS some level of configuration / pre-coordination necessary in PnP systems; in other words, OTS PnP may never be achievable. A related was the 11073-30300 standard and the pre-configuration of the access point mappings from IRDA ports to IP addresses.
  • Profile titles should be formalized as:
- Discovery & Association (incl. "self ID")
- Data Reporting (or Data Reporting Polled & Data Reporting Asynchronous
- Bi-directional Information Exchange
- External Control

Decisions/Issues:

  • White paper should clarify the description of PnP per the above discussion (esp. the need for pre-coordination).
  • Update DPI profile name proposals

Action(s):

4 Wireless & Device/Patient Pairing
- Group
Status/Discussion:
  • The group discussed point-of-care DPI wireless use cases & architectural issues, with the following identified:
- A device may need two radios (short & long range)
- Pairing may be accomplished manually ... though auto methods exist, they are still error prone
- Need to look at different layers of the problem ... technology dependent / independent
- ICE spec includes the need to add devices into the PoC context without disrupting any other device connections / communication.
- Must be secure and include contextual awareness
  • Given the issues, wireless should be discussed in the white paper but the profile may be delayed until the 2nd DPI cycle.

Decisions/Issues:

  • Include wireless use case & related architecture discussion on Thursday afternoon @ F2F

Action(s):

5 xyz
- Todd
Status/Discussion:
  • ...

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s): Enterprise Application vs. Deployment architectures

<used Ken's latest diagram to beg the question...>
       BCMA can be 
                Enterprise functions or 
                VeriScan is a stand-alone system
       What does "enterprise" mean?
       What does DPI mean? 
                DPI "PoC" 
                         Must be patient connected
                         DPI is focused on FIRST communication hop...
        Enterprise
                "full blown hospital information system"
       vs.
                Speciality systems (e.g., infusion pump management systems / gateways)
                         May have a single function BUT do so across all the enterprise
6 xyz
- Todd
Status/Discussion:
  • ...

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s): DPI

       Multiple concurrent connections must be supported
                Device communication systems are not disconnected with each other 
       Portal vs. local "persistent" connections
      • Need to address multiple paths to the "enterprise" for the same device info (specialized servers vs. general gateway)
       Where would a lab system go? 

In the F2F, need to see if we can come up with a model that will clearly communicate the differences between these perspectives and the PCD TF (as well as other IHE TFs).

7 xyz
- Todd
Status/Discussion:
  • ...

Decisions/Issues:

Action(s): DPI-PnP =>

        DPI-Discovery & Association
                Device connecting into a "PnP" network
                Discovery of other patient connected devices (incl. Schluter's nurse PDA discovering & commuicating with connected devices)
       DPI-Data Reporting
                DRPolled
                DRAsynchronous
        DPI-Bi-directional Information Exchange
                Device Pairing / discovery of devices & information with same patient
                
       DPI-PIB
                Wired - port oriented / pairing operation
                Wireless pairing
        DPI-External Control
                Open Loop
                Closed Loop 
                         Device reporting local settings for display on a monitor or central station for clinician review (a la PIV "closing the loop")
                         vs.
                         Changes to controls w/o clinician intervention (algorithmic)
                         Fully automated control communication 
                         vs.
                         Semi-automated control communication (human in the loop to complete the process)
                Safety Interlocks
                         ??? Never involves clinician activation???
                Alarm silence
                         Open loop control
                U/C Arith. algo on Central ... linked to bed ... comm is broken ... 
                         Must be "closed loop"
                TO DO:  Flesh out attributes associated with external control ... drudge out of use cases ...  
       DPI - Real-time Archival [and retrieval] Management    "flight recorder"
       DPI - Application Server Platform ???
                Ability of a device to request / receive / be notification re. download of an algo / code to be run on device 
                *** Drudge out use cases for this
       DPI-
                Put device in "standby" mode for communication purposes (e.g., to save battery)
                Poll for device asset management functions (a la MEM)
                RTLS
8 Next Meeting
- Chair
Status/Discussion:

Decisions/Issues:

  • Next meeting will be the Boston face-to-face scheduled for 2008.10.23 & 24

Action(s):

Next Meeting

Next meeting scheduled for Thursday & Friday, 2008-10-23 & 24 in Boston


<Add review line here when minutes are approved; e.g., "(Reviewed & approved by PCD RTM Vent TG 2008-04-16)">


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