Pharm Tech Minutes 2013.10.30

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10:15 - 10:30 Welcome

  • Participants
  • In person
  • Jürgen Brandstätter
  • Michael Tan
  • Leonidas Tzimis
  • Simon Letellier
  • By WebEx
  • Stephen Chu
  • Jose Costa Teixeira
  • Marco Demarmels


  • Review and Approve Agenda
  • Agenda approved
  • Approval of minutes of TCon Oct 03, 2013
  • Approval of minutes of TCon Oct 10, 2013

10:30 - 11:00 Administrative tasks

  • Past season 2012/2013
  • Status of profile publishing
  • Review Board Report
  • Schedule 2013/2014

11:00 - 12:30 Medication Management

  • Work on document "Medication Management: Related Concepts and Definitions"
  • Discussion
  • Michael Tan: HL7 Pharmacy group seems to question this document. No contribution so far.
  • Jürgen Brandstätter: This work item requires a dedicated champion surrounded by a contributing team
  • Simon Letellier: External resource: "Medication and Standards Overview" of American Systems and Services LLC
  • Jose Costa Teixeira: Next step after "Medication Management" is the thinking of what to do with that.
  • Stephen Chu: Our work divides into the following three components:
  • 1) What concepts are relevant to constitute Medication Management
  • 2) What are the data and where does it come from
  • 3) How the data can and should be used
  • Decisions
  • IHE Pharmacy takes the lead on this document
  • Structured approach, working out of chapters will be distributed to contributors with deadlines
  • Working group
  • Leader: Michael Tan
  • Contributors: Stephen Chu, Jose Costa Teixeira
  • Followers: Leonidas Tzimis, Simon Letellier, Jürgen Brandstätter
  • HL7 will be asked for review and contribution at next HL7 Pharmacy meeting in Texas, Jan 2014

12:30 - 13:30 --- Lunch ---

13:30 - 17:00 Pharmacy Medication List (PML) and alongside CPs

  • Pharmacy Medication List (PML)
  • Latest change: Pharmaceutical Advice Entries can now also be included in the list
  • Prepare for Public Comment
  • New version created (with minor changes)
  • Alongside CPs to PML
  • Introduce PML into CMPD
  • Further discussion
  • New version created (with minor changes)
  • New alongside CPs to PML
  • Introduce or change meaning of <author> and <performer> elements in PRE, DIS and PADV in conjunction with PML
  • New version created (with minor changes)
  • Extend glossary with PML terms
  • Discussion
  • Michael Tan asks why not a message based approach has been chosen for Medication list
  • Netherlands, Canada, UK are message-based
  • Jürgen Brandstätter answers that this concept fits into the overal document based approach of CMPD and its content profiles (PRE, DIS, PADV)
  • Transactions and the on-demand document concept fit into IHE landscape perfectly
  • Solution
  • The already targeted second approach for CMPD (message-based, named CMPD.b) should be used for a consistent way to resolve that issue
  • Problem: Lack of manpower in the group to work on CMPD.b
  • Problem does span over to PCC too, shall be discussed with PCC at joint meeting in Vienna 2014
  • Decision for whole package
  • Put the whole package to Public Comment
  • Proactively try to get comments on that by peer to peer announcement
  • Wait for response to decide further proceeding

17:00 - 18:00 Review of CPs and request for approval for ballot

  • The following CPs have not been discussed:
  • CP-PHARM-045: Add new implementation scenario “Usage of XDW versus database backend”
  • CP-PHARM-051: Relieve the constraint that the whole Prescription item has to be embedded
  • CP-PHARM-052: Relieve the constraint that the whole Prescription item has to be embedded
  • CP-PHARM-053: Relieve the constraint that the whole Pharmaceutical Advice item has to be embedded
  • CP-PHARM-054: PADV can also reference to Dispense Items (not only Prescription Items)
  • CP-PHARM-055: CMPD Maintenance
  • All those CPs are located at FTP at:


  • The following CPs have discussed and approved (ready for ballot):
  • CP-PHARM-046: PHARM-1: New Query “FindPrescriptions”
  • CP-PHARM-047: PHARM-1: New Query “FindDispenses”
  • CP-PHARM-048: Introduce “repeatNumber” for number of allowed dispenses (Number of repeats)
  • CP-PHARM-049: Relieve optionality at active ingredients
  • CP-PHARM-050: Rule for “non-dispense”
  • CP-PHARM-057: Use of nullFlavor if no code/brand name of medicine is available
  • CP-PHARM-058: Relax usage of UCUM from SHALL to SHOULD
  • CP-PHARM-059: Remove address of HCP Person Information (is redundant)
  • All those CPs are located at FTP at:


Pharmacy Technical Committee