Pharm Tech Minutes 2012.02.02-03
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Thursday, February 02.
Attendees
- Brandstätter, Jürgen (CodeWerk Software Services and Development GmbH, co-chair IHE)
- Cocchiglia, Arianna (Arsenal.IT)
- Demarmels, Marco (Lake Griffin, LLC)
- Géraud, Thierry (CareFusion)
- Hay, Christian (GS1, IHE Suisse)
- Letellier, Simon (EAHP)
- Robberecht, Marc (Agfa Healthcare)
- Surugue, Jacqueline (EAHP)
- Zalunardo, Luca (Arsenal.IT)
- Bourquard, Karima (IN-SYSTEM)
- Peytchev, Vassil (Epic)
By WebEx :
- Poiseau, Eric (INRIA)
- Lefebvre, Nicolas (INRIA)
10:00-10:15 Greeting
10:15-10:30 Approvement of last minutes
- Approved
10:30-10:45 User co-chair election
- Current situation: 7 votes of of 13 for YES
- According to governance the election has to continue until Feb 8th, 2012
- Result will be published by email
10:45-13:00 CAT EU Bern
How to get additional vendors
- CMPD
- Basically same situation as last year
- Slightly improved by one additional vendor
- HMW
- Currently no testing possible
- Glintt and Solinfo from last year are not attending the CAT at all
- Should be contacted. Who?
- Dedalus is currently registering. Information from Dedalus: Will not test Pharmacy this year, will concentrate on other topics
- Possible reasons
- HMW actors shall be reviewed, if they demand too much transactions as "required"
- It shall evaluated, why the vendors stopped participating
- Possible vendors to contact
- McKesson
- Jacqueline: In France McKesson is active in Hospital Pharmacy, but the moment there is a propriety standard in place (PN13). Eric will send a contact to Jacqueline and Jürgen. Jacqueline will contact them.
- AGFA
- Marc: Currently focus on supply chain. Tries to push participation next year for HMW.
- CareFusion
- Thierry: Is on the dispensing side. Wait for CPOE vendors to attend. Maybe participation next year.
- Epic
- Vassil: Immediate interest is in communicating with robots (supply chain). Community Pharmacy depends on the amount of European customers. Currently no estimation for a participation at a CAT.
- Learnings for the future
- It's not reliable to expect past registrations to be continued
- Motivating vendors after end of registration is too late
- Inviting vendors for next CAT should be an ongoing activity
- Invite people on the CAT (during the CAT) to a workshop to anchorage them for next year
- Robots in Community is a pressing topic at the moment, this could be used as a positve momentum (because it saves money) -> should be considered for the Strategic planning and Roadmap
- Workshop at Bern
- Possible by using the VIP Guided Tour: max.90min Welcome+Room+Beamer + Walkaround CAT Area
- Pharmacy could use one of this slots for free
- Pharmacy dedicated VIP tour + Normal VIP tour + get in contact to others
- Date
- Thursday forenoon or during the F2F meeting
- How to get people there?
- CAT people per announcement at participants
- Pharmacy people per personal activating
- Next steps
- CAT vendors will be informed anyway and invited to a slot during our F2F (end of 2nd day)
- Evaluating if people from outside would come to such an event by group members - sum up next TCon and decision about further steps
Status Test descriptions and scripts
- Based on the registration this is lessened in priority now
- Eric: Gazelle is prepared for testing if needed
- also XDW (generic anyway, semantically for Pharmacy afterwards)
Agenda F2F meeting
- Postponed to TCon
- 13:00-13:30 --- Lunch ---
13:30-14:30 HMW Exceptional cases (Marc)
- CP-PHARM-xx1.doc, CP-PHARM-xx2 and CP-PHARM-xx3 have been set to status "Completed" and are ready to be balloted
- Uploaded at FTP at:
- Ballot will be postponed until other completed CPs arrive
- More CPs to some other exceptional cases will be prepared by Marc and presented at the next TCon
14:30-15:30 Distribution and supply of items (Marc, Simon)
- Editor changed from Jose/Simon to Marc/Simon
- Work item is approved
- Profile name discussion:
- Distribution and supply of medication and disposable
- Distribution and supply of healthcare products
- Distribution and supply of health products
- Distribution and supply of medicinal products
- Distribution and supply of pharmaceutical products
- Decision: "Distribution and supply of healthcare products"
- Cross-domain needed?
- PHAST (Franck will nominate person)
- GS1 (Christian Hay)
- Schedule for profile "Distribution and supply of healthcare products"
- TCon 2012.03.16: Volume 1 First draft
- TCon 2012.04.19: Volume 1 finalized
- F2F 2012.05.22-23: Volume 2 First draft
- TCon 2012.06.07: Volume 2 Last draft
- F2F 2012.06.19-20: Volume 1+2: Ready for public comment
- End of Jul 2012: Volume 1+2: Public comment completed
- End of Aug 2012: Volume 1+2: Ready for TI
- Uploaded at FTP at
15:30 - 16:30 Medication catalog (e.g. Formulary) (Marc, Simon)
- Discussion
- Is IHE Pharmacy legitimated to deal with that?
- Laboratory has generated a similar profile
- It might be in the focus of the proposed new domain "Healthcare Operations"
- Is that topic urgent and has to be processed this season or shall we wait to figure out the right host for it?
- Laboratory has created a profile to the similar profile
- Could be a template to pharmacy and would allow easy generation of the profile
- HL7v2 based
- Shared Value Set profile
- Webservice based, HL7v3
- Shall it scoped for Hospital only?
- This is an important topic in Community Pharmacy too
- If we decide for HL7v2 it should stay scoped on Hospital to allow Community doing different (e.g. SVS, HL7v3)
- Decision:
- Gathering more facts for decision making
- Marc gathers more details on how the profile would look like in the manner of Lab
- Jacqueline will call Jean-Christoph CAUVIN (Lab) to interview him about this
- Marco contacts Robert Horn for hints from the SVS side
- Decision at next TCon
16:45-17:30 Improvements in HMW for scope and error-fixing (Marc)
- Editor changed from Jose to Marc
- Processed the document and categorized the different bullets
- CPs: Marc will provide them until next TCon
- Others: Marc will generate proposals after examination
17:30-18:00 Marketing USA
- HIMSS (Urgent)
- Jürgen will provide slide-set until Wed Feb. 8th, 2012
- Urgent review by group required
- Slide-set has to be final until Feb 21, 2012 latest
- NCPDP
- Covered by Scott, no new information
- HL7
- Covered by Scott/Tom
- Aviso by Christian:
- HL7 WG in May 6-10, 2013 in Bordeaux
- IHE will receive an invitation to do a Joint meeting
- Joint meeting with HL7 Pharmacy in June 2012 shall be planned urgently
- Discuss that with Tom tomorrow
- Academia in US
- Vanderbilt and Chapel Hill
- Covered by Marco
- No reaction -> will be discontinued
- American Society of Health Systems Pharmacists (ASHP)
- Contact: Karl Gumpper (Hospital Pharmacists, Coordinating the IT group of ASHP)
- He is on the Pharmacy list
- Jacqueline will contact him for appointing a meeting at HIMMS peer to peer with Jürgen
Other business
- Harmonizing profiles
- Decision: Jürgen for Community and Marc for Hospital will change all actor names to capital spelling:
- Prescription Placer
- Pharmaceutical Adviser
- Medication Dispenser
- ...
- Decision: Word "cancelling" or "cancelled") will be changed to one "l"
- following base standard HL7
- Information: New domain planned "Healthcare Operations"
- Deals with Supply/Logistics/Scheduling of resources
- Has contact points to work item "Distribution and supply of healthcare products"
- Marketing International
- Hospital section of International Federation of Pharmacy (FIP)
- Chaired by Jacqueline
- September 2013 in Dublin
- We could place 2 seminars about IHE Pharmacy, each 1.5h, 2-3 speakers, not paid
- 1 seminar very high level
- 1 a little bit more detailed
- Need to produce proposals for this urgently, deadline Feb 15, 2012
- Jacqueline will cover that
- Decision about selection in March 2012 soonest
- Report on decision by Jacqueline when available
- Detailed work afterwards